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We have a failsafe that may end this in the next night if we don't lynch him, so we'll see.

About that....Demon never sent me a message at all about what you're talking about, so...cough...

Well poo.

I don't know if my action went through, or what happened, but my inbox has no new messages. Last one I got was from Olimar about his MM.

I believe you were hit with Psionic Hold, poison. If Echo isn't the mafia (unlikely) I will Restore you to prevent that from happening again.

I was under the assumption that the first part of Dem0n's post was referring to poison, meaning it did work.

Yes, the first part of his post refers to poison. The entire first part, including:

Poison was planning to assume someone's identity, this other figure stopped him.

Ah okay, for some reason I read that as if he had assumed the identity, and the confusion was due to the change. Him being stopped makes sense, though.

Bahahahahahahahaha.

I do think it is odd that the "Once per game" thing applies even if it never goes off. Similarly, wouldn't a player who is mind controlled and forced to use a "once per game" ability not be able to use it after they are no longer mind controlled?

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Does a "once per game" ability get renewed if it doesn't go through? What has happened in past mafia games?

Honestly that's what I thought happened, too. Like if someone prevented Mind Control, it would never be used and therefore could be used the next night instead.

I was under the impression the "once per game" rule for the Amnesiac is there to prevent the Amnesiac from constantly switching after taking a role the first time. In this case, he never took a role the first time.

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Also, technically it was never used. "That player cannot use his/her abilities for that night" is the text for the Cerebrate, so based on semantics his ability was never "used."

This.

That is exactly how my role worked, so you helped support my point. If I mind controlled Jim Raynor on Night 1, then I would kill someone on Night 1 and no longer have that power. I was explicitly told this by Demonslayer.

And I would be willing to bet that had I used Mind Control on Night 2, Valerian's cancel would have made me unable to use it for the rest of the game.

The Amnesiac using their ability only to have it be prevented is still using the ability, in my opinion. Arguing this detail is pointless for this game, however, because it's game over (well, not right now, because you guys are voting for Echo, but it will soon be over).

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yeah, your action didn't go through.

Well, apparently since I "used" it, but it was blocked, similar to how a Hit that was Dodged is still an attempted Hit, it's used up.

I told you that if you used your power to use someone else's one-time-only ability, then you could not mind control them again to reuse the power. That actually doesn't matter anyway, since your mind control ability was a one-time ability.

@Roy: Wait what? I don't think you understood my point. My point was that if you used Mind Control to control someone like Valerian, and make him use his "can only be used once per game" ability, then he should no longer be able to use it as it had already been used.

If you mind control someone and it works, then you shouldn't have that power anymore as it has only one use. That makes sense to me, so I don't see what the issue is.

My question was "If I mind control someone, do I have to use their ability on the same night? Or can I choose?" to which you replied I would have to use it same-night. This left me with the impression that since it was a one-use ability and it fires when I use it, I wouldn't have someone's ability the following night.

And the fact that you'd let a one-time ability be used by the town after I use it via mind-control was disappointing. And nerfing Valerian's ability if Mafia used it.

Yeah, Demon said Valerian could still use it even if I mind-control used it.

That makes sense though, as the point would be to mind control them for that night and use it then.

Hmm I wonder what would have happened if you MCed the Amnesiac.

I think we're mixing issues here. I'm not arguing the mechanics of mind control; that was just a clarity issue that Demon resolved for me when I asked.

Is your point that if mind control uses a one-time ability, it SHOULDN'T allow the player to use the one-time ability afterward? Or that it should? I think it shouldn't (whereas Demon determined that it should). I also think that if I mind-controlled Valerian after he already used his ability, I wouldn't be able to use it because it's already spent.

I would have picked who the Amnesiac becomes, obviously. Of course, to keep consistency, the Amnesiac would then also have his own "Claim Role" remain untouched, so he could switch afterward?

The Amnesiac role should probably been written as "Once the Amnesiac has claimed a role, he loses all Amnesiac powers."