As I've stated in a PM to Moose, Devourer is young, enthusiastic and has the time to do things around here. Sure, he may not be the wisest or most mature member, but the gmods can support him on those levels and offer advice.

The poll gets a definite yes from me.

Isn't Devourer practically an admin? The only difference would be adding a globe to the left of his name.

So what has Devourer done to incur the wrath of the community on account of his apparent immaturity?

Obviously I know he's a good coder, but are there occasions where he has demonstrated a lack of good judgement, for example?

There are a few instances where he takes things a bit too personally. One that comes to mind was when David was offering suggestions about something SEN wise, then payne teased Dev. Dev reacted in a not so leader-like way. Although, that was a while ago and the only specific example I can remember off the top of my head.

He also used to ask and bug people to appreciate him, and would bug admins for admin status, and bug people for a personal "coding" icon. Sure some of these were probably laden with a joking around tone, but it was enough to make me wonder.

Overall though I voted yes and suggested that someone else take over social responsibilities of SEN a long time ago in this thread, and I haven't at all change my mind.

Nobody really has the right combination of enough high activity and respect to oversee the social side of things these days.

But I suppose someone has to do it.

There have been multiple times in the past months which I won't call up individually where Devourer has made some change which had a non-trivial effect on site policy without consulting anyone, or at least without consulting any large number of people. Some of these decisions were somewhat poor. If he is given authority the problems will come out not in some constant mismanagement that tears the site apart, but a few impulsive, poor decisions which come out of the blue and have a negative impact on the site.

I have lived through too many years on this site trying to deal with people in high places randomly imposing their whim without any sense or discourse beforehand. But I am far enough gone that all a series of poor choices will do is push me into obscurity forever, so we'll have to wait and see I guess. It's probably fair to say that there is no one else, which is a sad testament to how far this site has fallen since v4.1 ended.

DTBK, you know you are one of the, by me most respected, members on SEN.
Whenever I added something which in your eyes is crap you could always have PMd me. I would undo it if you provided me with a reason.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on May 26 2010, 8:43 pm by Devourer.

Sure I haven't been around this site for an extremely long time, but judging by the way the "old" members come back and post/complain about the SD, as well as by some of the older SD topics still on this site, I don't think the site leadership or availability of such has deteriorated much at all. I assume there have just been a couple paradigm and priority shifts; I doubt the quality of leadership is bad -only slightly different than it was in the past. I'd assume it is these shifts that bother people like you, dtbk, more than anything, and can easily be mis-lumped onto the leadership (or availability of leadership) in an unfair manner.

I honestly don't know where you get off talking about things like this. But like I said, I wasn't there so I don't really know how things were. I think there are people able to take Moose's place and do a fine job with their position. Stalin and Mao did the same thing when they died, they pointed their fingers at everyone and told them how incompetent everyone was; that isn't going to help SEN at all.

wow, 78%... thanks for your support
Feels good to see^^

Yoshi was what, 14 when he started sen? The biggest thing in my mind is not your experience, but your motivation. Dev is motivated, but not (quite) experienced. Certainly Obama is not the best president for the US right now, but he not only wanted to be president, but also had enough of a backing to win the election. Better than Joe the lawyer who would have made a much better president, but didn't want to run (since he's a lawyer and makes more money doing that than being a politician).

We're already a pretty loose democracy here at SEN. If something isn't right, we let everyone know, and we all listen to others' opinions. Anything Dev has done which hasn't been a good thing hasn't really been talked about, which in my mind means it's not that important to the community. All it takes is one person to speak up first and a whole storm of comments will follow.

Devourer, you have my vote.

To be honest, Yoshi was fairly autocratic in his running of SEN. At least that was the impression I got from the time I was here as a newb. The glory days were perhaps only glorious because the site was so active, and because we were younger and are looking back on our teenage years with rose-tinted glasses.

Perhaps people are right and change isn't necessarily a bad thing. So long as the new admin is a good coder, active, and respects the community, then it doesn't really matter who it is.

(EDIT: By the way, this post is written on no sleep ... I'm just rambling again. ... I probably had a meaningful point when I started this, but it's definitely been lost and a new one found many times as I typed it.)

It was also near the peak of SC mapping ... Editors like SCMDraft 2 and StarForge 2 were out, people were breaking down the barriers of SC mapping, and everyone wanted a part of it ... Yes, even then there were the old-timers that were leaving and missed (much like they are today). Rose-tinted glasses, almost certainly. But there definitely was a little more there. I can see it even in a reflection of my attitudes toward mapping and SC over the years ... Around the time I'd joined SEN I was trying so hard to make maps, get a clan going, etc. There was so much to learn, so much more to discover.

If StarCraft II is a success, this should all happen again as long as we are prepared and actively working to recreate what was then available. Unfortunately for us older members (I don't feel right including myself in such a group ...) we will likely not a part of this new era since as we grow older we have less and less time as our lives grow on. ... Think of it like generations. We must prepare to give the next generation their spotlight.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Apr 29 2010, 2:48 pm by FaRTy1billion.

Brought a tear to my eye, QQ. I miss the old days... Back when (U)nKnOwN was the place to be...

In all honesty nobody around here is mature; we're all playing videos games lulz. Like Jaff said Devourer has the time to do things around here and him being an admin shouldn't be a problem since theres other gmods around.

Moose seems to be gone

He's online nao!

He's back
However, it was a reaction of an action IP made. For further information visit the hidden staff forum, haha!
Also, maybe I'll become an admin when v6 launches? Who knows^^

v6 isn't going to launch for a long time. If you'd make a good admin, we should make you an admin now, not wait.

Thanks for that, but it's good that v6 is not going to be launched soon as I can proof myself to be a good admin even in the eyes of DTBK and others .