I'll say this one more time. I'm pushing so hard for Aristocrat because it's the only semi-solid lead the town has. There isn't any evidence against anyone else. Find me some evidence, then maybe I'll change my mind.

I abstain.

Uhh, I know people joke, but did anyone else notice this?

Vrael's got a point

Yes, he refuses to tell me his second partner.

Yes. He also admitted to being Mafia in the Shoutbox. Other people did as well.

And
This part seems suspicious to me. Demon wants Aristocrat dead, so should we lynch him too? We can't just keep killing townspeople because they want others dead. I think both Demon and Aristocrat are townspeople just wasting time in-fighting while the Mafia kill us off.

Also, Kame volunteered to be the town hub. Maybe she's just trying to help, but I think it's more likely that the Mafia asked Kame to volunteer to be the town hub.

Why do I think Aristocrat and Demon are townspeople?
1. There aren't any real clues pointing to either Aristocrat or Demon. Demon pulls clues where there are none. Sacrieur did a good job breaking Demon's analysis.
Anyone can "interpret" clues to mean anything they want. For example: "DER WAS A RIFLE AND RAY HAS A GUN SO RAY IZ MAFIA LYNCH HIM!"

2. Aristocrat said that he was using reaction tests when he said he wanted to kill lil-inferno.

3. Aristocrat and Demon (correct me if I'm wrong) think each other are the Mafia, so the discussion blows up into looking like they're both incriminating each other.

I admitted to it in the thread, publicly. Sad nobody believes me ;_;

I mean, I'm mafia. That much is obvious.
I just think Aristo is mafia, so I'm voting to lynch him because he's mafia scum. Q.E.D.

I'll ask again what that actually proves, though. It looks like Kame asks to see a role, lil refuses to give it but names a word count, and Kame doesn't believe him based on the word count. Giving Kame the benefit of the doubt, her role PM is rather short and she hasn't played in any of Roy's other games where he likes to change up the role PMs, varying them in length. But seriously, I still don't get what is incriminating about that.

That's the main reason everyone has a grudge against Aristo, and the main reason Dem0n is going after him. Why is it that Kame is any more suspicious than the people more vocal about getting Aristo lynched on the same basis?

Why is that more likely? I think she's offering to be hub because she started exchanging role PMs with a few people, and probably already has a list of semi-confirmed Townies.

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I've been working with Kame. I have no reason to suspect her.

The clues against Aristocrat seem bogus, but the fact that there are two votes for dem0n for merely suggesting aristocrat is mafia is suspicious. Also, the changing of votes from dem0n to abstaining once it starts to look like Aristocrat might be lynched is also suspicious.

I vote Aristocrat.

Thank you for the vote of confidence.

Devlin is correct in that I found my role short compared to a role I received from another player near the beginning of the game, and I was confused. I didn't know if Roy was adding color to the story, or if for some reason I was singled out. Of course, when I asked Roy about it he said he wouldn't clarify anything as that would alter the game (specifically he quotes the rules and said nothing more). Frustrated, I asked others - it would appear that this is a mechanic he adds in to add flavor to the game. I find it interesting. I can say with some certainty that I think by the time Roy got to my name he ran out of ideas.

From those few that have contacted me with their roles, yes I appear to have the shortest role out of possibly anyone. If I was, in fact mafia, I wouldn't have asked others for their roles to see what it looked like - as I would have in theory two mafia brethren to ask for help. And if I was mafia, I would probably add more to my role to make it look less suspicious. I have been nothing but honest.

I still would like to be hub. Why? I have found some townies so far that I find trustworthy that will become important to town survival. I see Observer was also named as a possible hub candidate; if others, specifically those I work with, think that is more fitting I'll follow suit (that goes for anyone else who is hub. Right now I have no reason to doubt any townie that's come forward).

But that can wait until after we lynch, right?

My role PM is 85 words, and it seems like everyone else's role PMs are around that range. I don't think Roy would give one player a role PM that's only two sentences long.

Are you referring to Demon? I don't think anyone else (maybe poison, but he's defending Aristocrat) is very vocal right now. I don't think Demon is Mafia because he wouldn't have killed lil-inferno (in addition to my reasons above). Kame may not be mafia for certain, but I feel she is acting the most suspicious right now.

If Aristocrat is actually the Mafia, he's playing really stupidly. In either case, I don't trust him. I think he is manipulating townies.

This is honestly how I've felt all day.

lol. I forgot how funny that movie is. Simon Pegg <3

This is inaccurate. I can't speak for LoTu)S, but I explained my reason for switching from Aristo to Dem0n and then to Abstain in the Shoutbox. I didn't change my vote when it looked like Aristo was going to be lynched considering I started by voting for him.

Fair enough, mine is 80.

Yes, I even said Dem0n in that response. As I said, Dem0n's (and others, based on the Shoutbox conversation earlier) core reason for lynching Aristocrat is that he claimed to have some "hit list" of players he wanted to get rid of at the beginning of the game. In addition, the role PMs may point to him as well, but the pre-emptive lynch seemed to be the driving force from the beginning. As some of these same people have also said in other games with Aristo, they'd rather kill him off first regardless of his role before he kills off Townies. I'm not saying Dem0n is Mafia, I'm just saying that if you want to claim that Kame is trying to lead a lynch against Aristo for the same reasons as Dem0n and others, then that doesn't single her out over everyone else with the same motive.

Well yeah you have a legitimate reason, and the fact that you started by voting for Aristocrat speaks for itself. It's just the others that is a little suspicious. It's not much, but it seems like the only thing to go off of.

I believe that neither Aris nor Dem0n are mafia, but since I can't exactly state that without any bias, what better way than to disprove of his clues while putting pressure on him to show he's town? There's really nothing to go on Dem0n besides the fact that he's being really aggressive with his clues.