You are assuming that nicotine addiction gets rid of freedom. It, as a matter of fact, does not, as evinced by the fact that there are people who quit cigarettes cold turkey.

It alters your state of mind, but so do plenty of other unavoidable, natural things such as PMS (might be a logical fallacy?)

I think my logic is sound, but unsure.

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Private institutions, however, have the right to require immunization against certain diseases. I don't quite see people arguing against that sort of vaccination (except those airheads who think vaccines kill people). Immunizing people from nicotine has the same purpose as immunizing people from diseases: it prevents harm to that person and people in contact with them.

Are you stupid? That's like saying "I should be allowed to stab people, because the amount of damage my knife does is negligible compared to the rate of natural death". You should realize that perhaps we are not attacking your "argument" simply because it isn't logically sound.

I have to walk through entire quads worth of smokers at my uni to get from class to class. It fucking kills my lungs and throat for the next 15 minutes. Are you saying it should be a right for smokers to do this to other people?

I think the better question would of been have you ever smoked before...

Unless it's a reserved area, smoking in a university usually leads to a serious fine.

Private institutions are a completely different matter.

Man up. Next we'll be discussing whether or not it should be legal for bees to sting people.

Nope.
I wouldn't say you're less attractive. I'd say you're completely unattractive.
If someone found me attractive I would be absolutely terrified of natural selection's inability to weed out people with horrific eyesight and poor taste in personality and probably kill myself.

But I thought smoking made you cool?

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That isn't what I said, don't avoid the argument.

So if a bunch of random strangers came up to you and beat the shit out of you, the response that I should give is "man up"?

I can vouch for Aristocrat on the college campus thing. I was on one of the largest college campuses in the country.

On a regular day, I would run into 3-4 people smoking on average. The smell was terrible and the best you can do is hold your breath and wait to pass them.

I was saying the dangers of second-hand smoke are negligible to the dangers of, say, industrial or automotive pollution.

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Oh, boo-hoo. Toxic chemicals are in the air. What a surprise. Because after all, all the tobacco in the world wouldn't produce even close to the amount of toxic waste as, say, a single volcano eruption. Let people do whatever they damn well please, as long as it doesn't directly hurt anyone else. And it doesn't hurt others, because the amount of toxins released is negligible compared to other things. Even cars. That's like saying people shouldn't be allowed to drive cars because it releases CO2.

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Yay let's all commit logical fallacies!

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I have to walk through entire quads worth of smokers at my uni to get from class to class. It fucking kills my lungs and throat for the next 15 minutes. Are you saying it should be a right for smokers to do this to other people?

Unless it's a reserved area, smoking in a university usually leads to a serious fine.

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Private institutions are a completely different matter.

That isn't what I said, don't avoid the argument.

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Man up. Next we'll be discussing whether or not it should be legal for bees to sting people.

So if a bunch of random strangers came up to you and beat the shit out of you, the response that I should give is "man up"?

AHHH LOGICAL FALLACY!!! X → Y DEFEAT Y = DEFEAT X!!! AHH!!!

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It's actually not a straw man poison. The reason is because it is a counter example, a basic way to show that an argument is fallacious. The main difference between that and a straw man is that a straw man alters the argument, while a counter example does not. Arguments, at least in formal logic, are the structure; while sentences are the content. With a valid argument, changing the content (the sentences) won't matter.

It makes you cool, no one else though. :\ If we hang out with you though we get residual cool points.

EDIT: also, none of you better get that picture poison posted removed before I get a chance to get on my computer and save it.

Residual cancer too.

I wear a mask though, making me epic for wearing a mask as well as epic for hanging out with the smokers.

Does that mean its common fact that wearing a mask makes you epic?

I'm not interested in what private institutions are allowed to require or not, sorry

Walking by a bit of smoke and being the target of an assault aren't even close to comparable on the "man up" scale. Get your man facts straight next time before you bring that weak shit up in here, fool

They both shorten my lifespan and leave me hurt afterwards, so I don't see why they aren't comparable. Arguably, the smoke shortens my lifespan more than getting mauled, so it would be higher up in the scale rather than lower.