I don't know, I think its dated 2009...you can find it on youtube.

K thx.

Oh Also forgot to mention I feel incredibly uneasy seeing people cheering and walking the streets at a news of some guys death. That just doesn't sit right for me I guess. Though I can also understand why they are cheering.

The kicking video was some fake vid that popped up a while ago. It's really well done, other than the cross-fading flag.

Personally, I feel that the people cheering and walking the streets because of Osama's death are both disrespectful and ignorant..

Disrespectful because of all the innocent people that have died in the 10 year battle.. and the money and time and the sufferings and etc. These are NOTHING to cheer about.

Ignorant because the death of Osama represents nothing but a symbol, as EzDay's video said. The "Face" of terrorism is dead. But Terrorism will go on and continue. Yes, it is a good thing overall that Osama bin Laden is dead, but it is nothing to walk out and cheer about (unless you're high or incredibly drunk).

@The matter at hand.. I don't feel like much will change on this side. Whether or not Al Qaeda will change its.. "tactics" and how that would affect us ... no way to tell...
Politically, it is great for Obama, and Obama's campaign can easily ride on this success.

And, yeah.. I'm a little confused as to what I should feel...
I mean, I'm happy that it's over
but there're myriads of other pressing issues to worry about.

A mass murderer responsible for the deaths of thousands was just killed. Who cares if people are exuberant about the news and wanna go out cheering? They're happy about it. How about you?

The way they're going about cheering gives other countries a reason to hate us.

If cheerful people piss off other countries then I don't know what to say. He was the highest profile terrorist on earth and we got rid of him. These "other countries" need to learn to learn some sympathy.

I wasn't particularly exuberant at the fact that he was killed, even if his killing was justified.

I'm not a fan of that last sentence at all. Why should anyone care what happens to us when terrorist acts happen outside the U.S. that we don't care about (or at least forget about quickly)? The U.S. is not the center of the world, and needs the support of other nations.

It does nothing for the war effort really, bin laden's death. Some people are ecstatic, some don't care, others feel that it's distracting. It's very important symbolism though, signaling some sort of closure in the near future.

...and it's going down in the history books.


Well hate is a strong word. Not caring is another thing. Maybe it was too much to ask for "sympathy". When does that happen in the world anymore?

US forces already used their riskier plan which didn't involve a bomber destroying the building.
There was a longer gunfight on "enemy" territory and I'm sure that Bin Laden wouldn't want to be captured alive?

Also, with his death he became a martyr which is less of a success than capturing him alive and sending him to prison forever.

Anyway, Bin Laden's era of war against the USA ended. But I guess al-Qaida won't give up because their "hero" died fighting.
They might be disorganized and start more attacks.
Maybe in the long term this will cool down the whole conflict after revenge attacks.

Let's also not forget that terrorist attack attempts actually haven't stopped since 9/11. The car bomb in Times Square last year would have killed/injured a ton of people had it gone off (considering it wasn't found and diffused until after the detonator didn't work).

They'll just keep going.

I personally could give a shit about Osama, he hasn't been any real threat in any noticeable way for a long time now. This is just being used to make the deployment in the east justified.

I'm hoping this has a reverse effect, although your reasoning seems more logical. At the cost of billions of dollars, countless lives, and souring diplomatic relations, we killed a high-profile terrorist.

I think I'm starting to see the other side

Minus the 9/11 attack, Al Qaeda shouldn't be recognized so highly for their terrorism when they've had so many blunders on would-be attacks. The media portrays them as a crafty organization, but their track record makes them appear rather incompetent.

Case in point. Since 9/11, the only significant victory for terrorism on U.S. soil is that we have to take our shoes off at the airport. (I'm not mentioning their potential success in the war overseas because, well, mostly ignorance.)

As for the death of Osama himself, I'm glad to know that the leader of a terrorist organization is no longer scheming. However, I feel like the loss would be equivalent to the U.S. losing our president, in that there is probably a backup plan, and someone else will most definitely fill the vacancy. We can only hope that terrorism is weakened by the loss of Bin Laden.

I disagree. The terrorist attacks have fueled xenophobic attitudes in a country based on immigration in some parts of the world. Honestly? I've never seen a Muslim degrade for being one. But the general feeling from a lot of mainstream media on both left and right sides is that they aren't welcome. A religion that arguably totes peace more heavily than the other Judeo-christian religions is feared and belittled. Not to mention the economic impacts that have arisen abroad. Anti-globalization now has new motivation to keep up the fight, hindering progress. MNCs actually require in their contracts with joint ventures (etc, depending) there to be a clause that says they can halt operations for any reason and send all their expats home without giving a reason in places like Saudi Arabia. It astounds me that people are so paranoid, and it does hurt our economy. First off, no government is going to appreciate that attitude. Second off, foreign currency repatriated into dollars is one of the only ways we can make money right now it seems. :\

In closing:

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The xenophobic response was not a planned terrorist attack. I agree that it is a tragic hindrance to have baseless prejudice towards the Muslim faith, but it was our fault for connecting the terrorist organization to the Muslim religion.

If your argument is that 9/11 caused this, then refer to the first few words of my post. I am not denying the detrimental effects that this one successful attack created. I honestly don't believe that the underwear bomber made us fear Muslims any more than we did post-9/11, though.

Indeed. Interestingly he comes to the same conclusions a lot of times as my mother and me when we were discussing this an hour ago.

Cheering isn't appropriate when a man has been killed. Relief is another thing, but partying because a terrorist leader has been killed and a women had to die too in the process. It makes you look arrogant.
Just like this video:
When in fact

would've been much more appropriate.

People cheered and partied in the streets when Germany surrendered in the First and Second World Wars, despite the bad actions of both sides and the millions killed. We don't condemn them for that. However that's somewhat different - it was an end to a conventional war and years of total civilian engagement with the war effort (at least in the UK), so the relief was extreme and mixed with a feeling of looking forward to a better future.

With Osama not much has been achieved apart from knocking down the bogeyman which we've built up over the years - the "big boss" of terrorism. We were never really at war with Osama and since 2001 the US and UK have been involved in depressing asymmetric warfare in Afghanistan and latterly in Iraq, wasting many of our own people's lives and those of thousands of Afghans and Iraqis. Al-Qa'ida is not an enemy which plays by the "rules" of warfare. They can never be completely defeated in battle or by killing key people associated with them - only by undermining the ideas which give them support can any kind of victory be obtained.

In a way Osama bin Laden can be respected. He was a formidable opponent with complete conviction that what he was doing was right (also be aware that he was misquoted often and only edited versions of his videotapes were allowed to be released by the US press). He was a charismatic leader and at least when he was fighting the Russians in the 1980s, led his men bravely. Only when he became aware that he was being hunted by the secret services of several nations did he go into hiding.

We shouldn't be cheering and whooping over the melancholy affair that is the shooting and dumping at sea of a guerilla leader. We should feel relieved that he will trouble us no more but at the same time we should prove our chivalry by not "dancing on his grave", so to speak. This is a time for reflection rather than celebration.

Even though almost every discussion I've seen about this invokes Godwin's law, at least it makes sense. As Will pointed out he could be respected and he was charismatic. Hitler was a psychopath that killed so many people for a stupid reason, but he united a broken country and was also charismatic.