There is no beguiler. You're all on crack. Riney was a hooker, end of story.

Infiltrator is benign. Saboteur is useless. No assassin.

If a beguiler was alive then I'm certain that he cannot RESURRECT and just float out into the sky and start raping people in the ass.

Beguiler means to "Deceive, trick, charm, or enchant"

In game description: An expert in manipulating information, not even the other members of the USS know his background or abilities.

Manipulating information.... not like all our investigators are dead or anything.

*grabs Ez and him*

War calls for cheap shots, Azrael. Expect tactics like this. From the players' reactions to the demand, I have already deduced the identity of two remaining mafia. Needless to say, it has been nice playing with you people, but please, go behave the way USS cannon fodder should and perish, TiKels. Or perhaps you can no longer post because you are dead?

It just means you'd be happy to spend minerals in the future. It might be worth your while to spend 100 minerals to gain the trust of someone so you can win the game for the USS. I mean what are minerals good for once you've bought everything from the store that you're interested in?

It's not ridiculous or cheap. Mafia is a game about trust. If you can trust someone else to return your minerals to you at the end of the game, then what's wrong with that? They can just as easily keep those minerals and never give them back - in which case they will receive significantly less trust in future mafia games.

We've already got people saying "I'll never trust you in any future mafia game again" or "he's never lied to me in past mafia games". I don't see the difference in putting minerals on the line, here. It's not like they're real money.

They are a real currency, we use them as rewards and incentives, people earn them and spend them, and they have clear value where they can be directly traded for goods and services. If they didn't have any value whatsoever, then this method of cheating wouldn't be an issue.

Considering the fact that I was begging you to bet me 100 minerals, and you never accepted the terms...
The reason I am so open about my opinion is because I'm not mafia. Also, one thing, I wanted to post this but I was afraid it could harm me.
Right, because, when we have probably only 5 players to spare, a possible killer or two remaining (including infiltrator), it's always a good idea to kill a confirmed townie.

I'm not going to claim to be good at this game. I am not going to say "I have been a vital player this game." But if you want to even play mafia, you are going to need more than four players. If you wanna kill someone that has been totally useless, why not kill echo?

I just want to point out that azrael has threatened you to bannage for cheating if you continue with this style of play. It is NOT in the spirit of mafia.

How is it cheating? The rules don't list anything about it, in fact it says this:

"5) Players may communicate in whatever way they like. Feel free to lie, cheat, and trick people in order to come out on top."

I could "trick" Aristocrat by giving him 100 minerals to make him think I'm town, when I'm truly USS.

So USS,

Looks like Umbrella...

Couldn't weather the storm.

Since when do we play Mafia for m1n3r4w1z0r5

Echo has been far more useful than you, TiKels (despite that Norm screwup), It doesn't matter how many hackers there are, so long as one remains, we are just as powerful as before. You, on the other hand, have not only made terrible voting decisions, but also refused to cooperate with me on several occasions, even after I made it clear that not only am I a town-aligned role, but that I am one whose night action success depended on your cooperation. I knew exactly who you are allied with and what your supposed role is, so what reason was there to deny cooperation other than to deceive me?

You should have received a PM saying that you are dead. Why are you still posting?

You're assuming your constraint action was successful, Aristo.

So USS,

Guess your just not...

US.

I don't like aggressive people. That's about it.

You never expressed any thing about your night action success depending on my cooperation. I have fully cooperated and allied with like 50% of the town. Terrible voting decisions? Such as? You make it sound like I don't know that you know what my role is. It's not like it wasn't posted in the thread. I have nothing to lie about. Actually, as a matter of fact, I have not told a single lie this entire game.

I have no such PM as of now, so posting is free-reign for me.

Using outside methods to extort role information from players, especially via this bond method described, is equivalent to requesting screenshots of PMs from all players and saying those who don't supply them are guilty.

If you really believe it's okay to demand something of value from every player, and saying you'll only give it back if they are telling the truth about their role, then you need to seriously reevaluate what you think this game is about, because that is not it.

And before semantics are argued further and I am replied to with "omg but like mineralz arent impornt to every1", well obviously they are important to some people. That is a fact which this method of cheating relies on to actually work.

If you still don't understand, just take my word for it. This should fall under "common sense" as previously stated. There is something seriously wrong with anyone who honestly thinks this falls within the realm of deceiving other players. Even if the one perpetrating it was himself Mafia, it wouldn't make a difference. This is directly contradicting the entire point of Mafia, and the game cannot be played properly if everyone has their roles extorted from them.

The fact this needs to be explained is baffling to me, I will be sure to update the rules to specifically address this scenario so that those involved can attempt to look for loopholes to break the game in a different yet equally unsporting way. In the meantime, take my word for it that it is wrong to do, and if that knowledge is not enough, feel free to assume you will be immediately killed and permanently banned from all future games I host if you continue.

What did the USS soldier say while getting raped?

ARISTOCRAT STOP YOU'RE OWNING US TOO HARD!

I vote for all future hosts to add a new rule...

No way of bonds, bribes, or other any form of information gathering using an outside currency including real life money, minerals, or other wise as this goes against the spirit of mafia and gives some players unfair advantages.

Make a rule about screenshotting PMs that are of soliciting money, so that one may forward them to the game host and then the game host simply kills them.

Starting from the next mafia game, I'll pretend Aristocrat and Lanthanide don't exist for the entire length of the game, except when lynching or using night actions. Therefore, any attempt to contact me, get me to share information, or pleads, will be useless. Unless somebody changes my mind.

gg gl hf
EDIT: Guys, feel free to copy paste my post up there and modify it any way you want.

What? But I- you... it doesn't...

I kid, of course. I'm still not going to accept that mineral deal based on principle; I'd love to see you actually lynch me for that. In fact, I'm sure a number of dead players (Demon, Norm, Olimar) would also enjoy watching me get lynched.

As for proof of my role, I have none. Absolutely zero. I suppose the only supplemental material I have on it is that Angel investigated me on the first night and saw that I didn't visit anyone, whereas all USS roles have a visiting action.

Finally, if you're going to criticize my theory, don't just pick part of it and ignore the other part to "create" a hole. I can try my best to organize it for you, but it's ultimately up to your own capability and discrimination to fully understand it:

1. The Beguiler has the ability to manipulate role reveals.
2. The Beguiler has another ability to manipulate game posts (it may actually be the same ability as #1, since they are very similar).
3. The Infiltrator used Suggest to suggest to you (Aristocrat) that you should fake your own death for the purpose of self-preservation. Unless you want to die in Mafia, this suggestion is not strictly something that you wouldn't do if given the option.
4. The Beguiler manipulated the post to make it seem like you (Aristocrat) were killed. Whether the "killer" was actually the Infiltrator stabbing a needle into you or if the visitor was fabricated completely, I can't be sure.
     a. You had protection that night, so this was not solely the work of an Assassin.
     b. If the death faking was your decision (via Suggest), visit protection wouldn't have prevented it from happening.
5. You did not die in my theory. The information was simply manipulated to make it appear that way.
     a. In the event the Rogue Engineer legitimately dies, all his constrained victims die as well.
     b. To properly fake his death, the Rogue Engineer would have to kill his constrained victims, meaning the suggestion would cause this to happen.

Now, onto my questions for those opposing my above theory:

1. How did Aristocrat come back to life? Keep in mind he's still capable of using his night action, so he is not a Zombie.
2. How did Aristocrat "die" when he had a Virologist visiting him that night?
     a. The only killing role among the USS are Assassins, which cannot kill if someone is visiting that player (unless the target is a Zombie).
     b. Aristocrat constrained a victim the night before, and the Virologist gave him antivirals on the night he "died." Therefore, there is no time where he could have turned into a Zombie.
     c. The Hackers did not wall the Virologist from Aristocrat when Aristocrat "died."