Since it seems our only remaining way of determining the last USS is through clue and behavoral analysis, and since it seems poison wants people to claim, I will. I am Researcher.
I didn't get heads or tails of any of the clues, and it seems Roy and Aristo (who I sent those to previously) didn't get anything out of them except for Ex's join date.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 11 2011, 4:47 am by Raitaki.

Wouldn't it be easier if we just kept a list of everyone's claimed or 99% sure role call with a small text in brackets saying (may be zombie) ?

I haven't kept track of anything but from this and the previous page alone I can conclude:

Azrael is a troll
Olimar is Pathologist
I'm a Researcher
Tempz is a Researcher
Raitaki is a zombie posing as a researcher with fake clues pimp

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 11 2011, 4:37 am by EzTerix.

The Zombie crisis is over, just so you all know.

Raitaki is a townie, though I'd appreciate refraining from posting your role PM.
Players I need to hear from:


While straight claims are not needed, I would greatly appreciate any kind of communication from you guys.

As for now, I change my vote to Daddywhoo.

If you want to hear you should've asked!

*attaches an ear to poison_us deteriorating zombie face*

SUP?

im a zombie

This. y u vote 4 me roy?


So now I'm only good for my vote

Or your Autopsy ability.

Because the Beguiler is still alive.

I vote shadow649

Does this have something to do with the "no dead players are allowed the speak" rule? Because this sounds like an accusation. I also don't have anything against you.

No dead players are allowed to post* is technically the rule, and no, it doesn't have to do with that.

Unless you want to explain why the USS would kill Aristocrat when he rigged one of their own, knowing they would be needlessly sacrificing the player, I have no intention on believing Riney was the actual Beguiler.

That means there are at least two USS alive and kicking, which is why I'd like to get some damn cooperation from you people.

Quote from poison_us

Players I need to hear from:

3. TiKels
15. Tempz
17. Daddywhoo
20. shadow649 (though I suppose I don't really need to)
22. Lanthanide
24. EzTerix
25. ImagoDeo

I'm a researcher... isn't posting that in the thread enough?

How do you know for sure that the USS knew that Riney was rigged?

Do you know for 100% sure that Riney was actually town? Obviously Aristocrat constrained him in the first place because he had doubts.

You also haven't explained how the shoutbox you linked to has anything to do with Olimar or the research you also quoted.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 11 2011, 8:14 pm by Lanthanide.

I never said that. I said if Riney truly was USS, then the USS would know he was rigged and decide not to target Aristocrat for Riney's preservation. They wouldn't sacrifice a player when their numbers are low and they have good cover.

Nope, in fact I had good reason to suspect him if Norm was revealed to be town-aligned.

It doesn't have anything to do with Olimar, but I'm wondering why you don't see the connection it has with the research results.

I found Olimar's reaction quite interesting, though:
What drew him to ask about the rule, exactly? It's almost as though he was concerned Demonslayer or another dead USS gave me information about Olimar.

HOW?! Why would the USS "know" that Riney was rigged? Explain it to me. I don't see why they MUST know, as you are asserting that they MUST know.

So why have you suddenly decided that Riney actually isn't the beguiler then?

Explain it to me, because I honestly do not see any link. If anything, the shout box incriminates you more than anyone else (who is playing mafia).

Also linking to a shout box while voting for someone when you admit that the shoutbox has nothing to do with them seems like a very strange thing to do to me.

I don't find his reaction 'unusual' or interesting in any way whatsoever. If someone suddenly said I was USS for what looks like no reason at all, I too would wonder WTF they were on about and if they had been speaking to dead players (such as Aristocrat) who might have said something about them, and because they know that they are genuine townies, anything said by a 'dead' player must therefore be a lie.

Seriously Roy, stop beating around the bush and actually answer my questions.

If Riney was USS, he would definitely not keep getting constrained a secret from his team members. He would tell them what happened, therefore deterring them from killing Aristocrat.

First, I never suspected Riney of any particular USS role, so "suddenly deciding that he isn't the beguiler" is not a fair way to reflect that. Second, I don't know the Beguiler's abilities, and I've been under the long-time theory that it has to do with manipulating role information. But if you know what the Beguiler does, feel free to explain.

The whole rhyming scheme of the research document reflects the time when Azrael would mock Sand Wraith's work (at least that's the connection I immediately made). That is the link between the research and the saved shouts.

Clearly standard play isn't getting us anywhere, so I considered throwing a curve-ball. I think the whole purpose of it is thoroughly defeated at this point with only two other players participating in it. If you want, though, we can sit here and do the same thing we've been doing and hope the USS just reveal themselves.

I guess we'll just have to disagree on that; my first reaction to an accusation against me has never been "Have you been talking to dead players?" and I haven't seen a townie be so quick to ask it, either. It makes me think his mind triggered being compromised and he wants to know how it could have happened.

I'm trying my best to answer your questions. The answers I gave you above did answer your questions, but I think you just didn't like the reasoning I have for doing this.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 11 2011, 9:02 pm by Roy. Reason: Made it less condescending. <3 Lanth

Right, I wasn't thinking about people being sent messages saying they've been constrained. I've only actually had 1 message back from Azrael at all and this is my first mafia, so didn't think of that.

The other explanation for why they would kill Aristocrat is that they didn't mind losing the beguiler because his role was now less useful and it was better to take Aristocrat out sooner rather than later, before he constrained and killed more USS. They also knew they'd be killing a townie along with Riney too.

It is a fair way to reflect that, because you're asserting that Riney is not what his death role says he is.

I still don't see any connection. What has Sand Wraith got to do with Olimar?

Hence why I'm going after Daddywho. He has been very quiet in this thread and hasn't been voting to lynch for a while. I suspect the USS are simply keeping their heads down to avoid drawing attention to themselves. Go back and read all of Daddywho and Riney's posts.

Well I can put myself in his shoes and it is something I would consider and post in the thread as my immediate reaction (although likely I would be a lot more long-winded and throw up multiple potential explanations for someone's suspicions).

You still haven't answered why the shoutbox links to Olimar.