Devlin, you linked to every post I've made, and none of them are incriminating. My vote for Wing didn't even count, so what are you still going on about? I'm trying to end the game, while you're trying to prolong it.

If we go by clues, there are more that point to you than me (between you being an Admin and a Veteran). If we go by voting, I've helped lynch 2 Mafia, while you've only helped lynch 1.

Of course, there's people trying to make the Townies lose by voting to lynch a Doctor, and you don't seem to care at all.


That doesn't even make sense Are you actually suggesting that Mafia are under the same obligation as Norm to include clues in their posts? They generally do the opposite.

Leeroy threatened a few people thus far, myself and LoTu)S included. I guess that means we're both Mafia. Oh wait, there's only one left.

Anyways, on to legit reasoning.

At this point, everyone still playing has been active in the thread since Olimar and Zilean claimed Doctor, and no one has counter-claimed him.

This means that Olimar and Zilean are confirmed Doctors.

Olimar claimed first, which no Mafia would ever do, so even if there is a discrepancy, it would be with Zilean.

I'll continue siding with Olimar, the confirmed Doctor.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Sep 7 2010, 12:36 pm by Azrael.Wrath. Reason: added quote, grammar

Yet Lotus is opposing me, thus infirming my belief that he is mafia.
The only way mafia can win is if he gets one of us docs lynched. There is no other way.

Changed vote to Azrael.Wrath to save my skin from lynching.

Nigga plz

Well, at this point I'd say to vote Azrael, because any "townie" is as good as another. I mean, as long as they don't claim doctor...

You're sure Tempz has been active recently?

One townie is not the same as the next when some of them are willing to lynch doctors (you included).

Fact: Townies cannot lose if both doctors remain alive.

Fact: You and LoTu)S both voted to lynch a doctor, then both changed your vote to the person supporting the doctor.

im just sick of the lack of faith

I put my faith in Olimar and numbers which randomly selected you. It's like a death lottery, and couldn't be more fair.

Mafia seems to force out the worst of people.

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Fact: You and LoTu)S both voted to lynch a doctor, then both changed your vote to the person supporting the doctor.

I'm willing to lynch those that I do not know are doctors. Uncc'd means nothing when there are people that aren't participating. LoTu)s just doesn't want to die, that's why he follows my vote.

If you lynch a doctor there shall be severe consequences not only I can control the god of the town "AWESOMEVILLE" or w/e.. (corny.) lol can't either. NEVER ever think of killing a doctor. WHAT If you get what ever RINEY has.. then my friend your SOL and your left a town to bear for your self and fight in any means possible.. anarchy.

Yo, Norm, you forgot to add a role.

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NOT PLAYING -- Don't let the name mislead you, these people who talk in the thread aren't really not playing, they just always vote to abstain by default, and have no night actions whatsoever. Their votes are immediately erased by administration, and the host merely ignores their participation in the game as far as votes go. They are also unkillable, through lynching or night actions, and thus able to say whatever they wish. They are the pinnacle of wisdom, and whatever they say should be taken into far heavier consideration than any other member. Each day, (s)he can make as many fallacious (or not!) posts as (s)he wishes, and their every word is far more important than any number of "real" players. Note: once you die, regardless of your role, you join these ranks.

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I don't understand why Azrael defends himself so much, wasn't he the one that proposed to lynch one person a day other than the doctors and after the third day the game is over? He shouldn't care to be lynched if he isn't mafia since the town wins anyway, right?

In case you're totally oblivious to what's been going on, what I proposed was that the Doctor chooses someone at random to lynch every day. When LoTu)S' name came up, he decided to start a bandwagon against a Doctor, and when that didn't work, he decide to lynch the person helping the Doctor.

If my name had come up, I'd have abstained. The fact is, no one is going to adhere to the system, and there's a possibility that Olimar will be lynched by a bunch of misguided Townies.

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I don't understand why Azrael defends himself so much, wasn't he the one that proposed to lynch one person a day other than the doctors and after the third day the game is over? He shouldn't care to be lynched if he isn't mafia since the town wins anyway, right?

My thoughts exactly. Tomorrow, if the mafia is still alive, i'll propose a lynch against myself anyways. I'm tired of playing this, the next one needs to start.

BTW, who else has pre-signed?

EDIT: Hell, if you guys lynch me now I would appreciate it.

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Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath

In case you're totally oblivious to what's been going on, what I proposed was that the Doctor chooses someone at random to lynch every day. When LoTu)S' name came up, he decided to start a bandwagon against a Doctor, and when that didn't work, he decide to lynch the person helping the Doctor.

NO U. I started the lynch votes against whomever, Lotus doesn't want to die and as such he's been voting for whomever else is being voted for. I don't trust the claimed "doctors", this game seems to EZ to win. Anyways, he has been following other lynch votes, namely mine, and currently, IIRC, it's you that he's voting for. I don't understand why the hell you're so defensive, especially back on day 2 or whatever when I accused Wing, and every time your name pops up you cry foul, search for clues, and try to twist everyone's words.

EDIT2:
http://www.staredit.net/?p=shoutbox&view=1121
This. Fucking this. MAKE IT SO.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Sep 7 2010, 5:31 pm by poison_us.

Why are you so defensive? I'm just pointing out the facts.

Fact: You and LoTu)S just tried to lynch a confirmed Doctor.

You can come up with all your paragraphs trying to explain it, it's still true.

I don't care if I die this turn, but on the next day one of you needs to be lynched.

[quote:name=Azrael.Wrath]Devlin, you linked to every post I've made, and none of them are incriminating. My vote for Wing didn't even count, so what are you still going on about? I'm trying to end the game, while you're trying to prolong it.[/quote]
I posted all those links because they all involve you LOLing, which seems to be a running theme. I admitted they were another shot in the dark, and wasn't expecting it to be that game-changing.

[quote:name=Azrael.Wrath]If we go by clues, there are more that point to you than me (between you being an Admin and a Veteran). If we go by voting, I've helped lynch 2 Mafia, while you've only helped lynch 1.[/quote]
Well sort of. On day 2, I abstained while you voted for Ez. On day 3, I helped lynch Wing while you voted for Riney. On day 4, I voted for you and switched to Leeroy at the last minute (which didn't seem necessary, but I told LoTu)S via PM that I probably would just in case since I was pretty sure Leeroy was one of the 2 remaining Mafia), while you voted for yourself to end this sooner and then Leeroy because you couldn't vote for yourself. I'd also like to point out that I abstained in day 2 because I thought "ez" was just how Norm typed and have since learned not to assume things like that in this game, and on day 4 I was the first person in the game to associate clues to Leeroy, as far as I can remember.

[quote:name=Azrael.Wrath]That doesn't even make sense Are you actually suggesting that Mafia are under the same obligation as Norm to include clues in their posts? They generally do the opposite.[/quote]
I'm not saying Leeroy is leaving clues, I'm saying that most of his posts sounded like he was backed in a corner and trying to get himself out. His response to you, on the other hand, was less of him trying to save face and more him sounding pissed and betrayed. I suppose that's more of an assumption based on this game being a social experiment, though.

[quote:name=Azrael.Wrath]One townie is not the same as the next when some of them are willing to lynch doctors (you included).
Fact: Townies cannot lose if both doctors remain alive.
Fact: You and LoTu)S both voted to lynch a doctor, then both changed your vote to the person supporting the doctor.[/quote]
I think Apos has a point about you being so defensive. If you're so willing to be randomly chosen as the next lynch, why do you care so much if anyone votes for you now? LoTu)S has a right to want to save himself since he's proven that he isn't Mafia. We also know poison can't be Mafia because he wasn't even on for Roy's death, which took both mafia hits.

As for the doctors, I've trusted Zilean for a while now, so I believe him. I also have no reason not to believe Olimar at this point. I wont be voting for either of them to be lynched for the remainder of the game, you can be sure of that.


EDIT:
I think Tempz is the only person we're waiting on to vote, right?

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 7 2010, 5:56 pm by DevliN.

Like basically everything you've said so far.

Somehow you "know" who is innocent and who is Mafia, every clue that's real or a red herring, and you have nothing but assumptions, half-truths, and purposely misconstrued statements to back them up.

It's like you think you know the answer before you even open the thread, then look for reasoning that will back up your accusations, rather than basing your accusations on reasoning.

I honestly wish Roy was still alive, he was clearly the best player. He had actual clue interpretations that made sense and led to Mafia being lynched. This bullshit you post ("oh I found some posts in the last 42 pages where you're laughing at something, clearly the LOL clue refers to you") makes me absolutely sick.

I don't know all the answers at all, though I see what you might be implying there. I didn't know Ez was Mafia. I didn't really know Wing was Mafia, I just wanted to save Riney and voted alongside Roy. I had figured Leeroy was Mafia due to my clue interpretation associating things to the "real" Leeroy Jenkins.

The only time I can remember specifically stating a clue was a red herring was the "Veteran" thing because Riney wasn't Mafia and neither am I. Other than that, I've quoted night posts to point out things of interest to me, and just included "possible clue or red herring." If I somehow knew what all the legitimate clues were, that would mean Norm was supplying me with the answers which isn't the case.

The reason why I thought the laughing was significant is because it's brought up so frequently. Supposing Norm was being honest about having so many clues (9001!) pointing to the last Mafia, the laughing thing and the mask thing are the only consistent "clues" I can remember. I have no idea what the mask thing is, but at least I had something to associate the LOL to. It could be a red herring, it could be a clue, it could lead to LoL. Honestly I only started to think about it when I saw how frequently you use the smilie. You thought LOL was a clue at one point, too, so I know it isn't completely baseless.

How about your clue interpretations? What do you think about Night 5?

I think trying to find clues in Night 5 is probably pointless. The "Smash" clue seems to be about Olimar, which is a red herring. I doubt there are going to be many relevant clues when there's only one Mafia left.

A better idea would be to look back at the previous Day/Night posts, when there were likely a lot more obvious clues, figure out which ones referred to the Mafia we already know about, and then we're left with the clues that are about the last Mafia.

It might be another red herring, but it says the Mafia was "masked." LoTu)S' avatar looks like he's wearing a mask of some kind, you can't see his face. More than that though, as soon as it became obvious the Townies were guaranteed to win as long as both Doctors stayed alive, he tried to lynch the first person to claim Doctor.

Once it was clearly not going to work, he jumped to the next bandwagon, which he admitted was just to save himself.

Edit: I pre-signed for the next game, this one should be over within the next two days or so.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Sep 7 2010, 6:32 pm by Azrael.Wrath.