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Build me a Computer SEN
Dec 19 2015, 4:37 am
By: Sacrieur  

Dec 19 2015, 4:37 am Sacrieur Post #1

Still Napping

I need a new computer for a certain artistic person in my life. So I decided why do all the heavy lifting when you guys love to do this stuff.

Budget $1000

Going over-budget is absolutely not allowed. Going under-budget is encouraged. The computer needs to do the following things in order of most importance to least.

1) Surf fast/use internet with little problems (wireless will be used).
2) Have a nice monitor for artistic purposes.
3) Run games also with little issue.

Addendum: Must have top quality PSU. The PSU's cost is not factored into the total.

When I inquired about games, it should be able to run stuff like Skyrim without any problems. So somewhat newer games. Also as an added note, the computer is going to be used to create professional artistic works and should be able to handle Photoshop and similar applications without any trouble, even with extra large files.

Peripherals with the exception of auditory equipment will also need to be purchased.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Dec 20 2015, 12:51 am by Sacrieur.



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Dec 19 2015, 5:53 am Roy Post #2

An artist's depiction of an Extended Unit Death

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($283.98 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z170A PC MATE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra II 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: *Asus GeForce GTX 950 2GB Video Card ($128.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 450W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($28.00 @ Newegg)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer H236HLbid 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($129.99 @ Best Buy)
Keyboard: Logitech K120 Wired Standard Keyboard ($11.98 @ OutletPC)
Mouse: Cobra E-3lue Wired Optical Mouse ($8.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $981.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-19 16:27 EST-0500
CPU: The best i5 on the market.

HSF: The 212 EVO is the standard and is at a good price right now. Since you didn't mention overclocking, I figure you don't want to sink too much money here, so an entry cooler for light overclocking fits the bill.

Mobo: A Z170 for the overclocking feature set, with all the main features you need for a basic motherboard.

RAM: Though 8GB is probably sufficient, 16GB should cover any anomalies of managing large content in memory.

SSD: The Ultra II is a fast MLC drive. 120GB will serve as a boot drive to speed up general OS performance.

HDD: Hitachi has had some pretty good press lately, so we can grab this over the Barracudas.

GPU: A nice, efficient card that can handle many modern games. Skyrim won't be an issue here.

Case: The Antec One is a solid budget case. Good airflow and cable management, and a decent price.

PSU: A newer budget nonmodular PSU. Not built by either of my ideal OEMs, but it should get the job done for a low-power build.

Wireless: AC compatible, high bandwidth card without breaking the bank.

Monitor: An IPS panel with a 5ms response time. Pretty well-reviewed and a great price.

Keyboard: The Logitech K120 is a solid rubber dome keyboard.

Mouse: I actually bought this mouse for my brother a year ago, and it holds up pretty well. Slick design and high DPI.

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Post has been edited 10 time(s), last time on Dec 19 2015, 11:20 pm by Roy.




Dec 20 2015, 12:49 am Sacrieur Post #3

Still Napping

I'd like to add that I've changed the requirements. I don't ever like to compromise on PSUs, so it must be Seasonic/Super Flower quality or equivalent. Its reliability should be unmatched, but still powered appropriately for the build. The main concern should be proven reliability; efficiency (such as a platinum rating) has no consideration.

This PSU's cost will not be factored into the $1k budget and should not be added to the total.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Dec 20 2015, 5:41 am by Sacrieur.



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Dec 20 2015, 1:31 am Excalibur Post #4

The sword and the faith

@Roy:
Roy, you're putting your name on some sketchy things IMO. You can't trust Newegg reviewers, you can't trust 'the market', because the market is the mob and the mob is stupid. Not going to go back and forth with you, but there's a reason people wait for certain people to reply to these topics, we have a rep from what we're willing to put our name on. Just keep that in mind alright?

My selections:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($212.66 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI Z170A KRAIT GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($144.43 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($90.93 @ B&H)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($83.44 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ Directron)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 380 4GB PCS+ Video Card ($217.19 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($64.18 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($84.51 @ SuperBiiz)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($31.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer H236HLbid 60Hz 23.0" Monitor ($139.08 @ Best Buy)
Keyboard: Gigabyte KM5300 Wired Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse ($16.03 @ Micro Center)
Total: $1134.42
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-19 20:28 EST-0500

Good call on only accepting top tier PSUs, that's all I do as well.
Didn't go for aftermarket CPU cooling because if it ain't OCing it'll run plenty cool.
Tried to keep the build semi-color coordinated so its nice to look at.
Cheap peripherals because budget is tight.
I like having the option of wireless AC in there.
I don't use non WD drives, I just don't. EZEX is a great drive at a great price.
This is with NJ taxes, might be less where you are.




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Dec 20 2015, 2:09 am Sacrieur Post #5

Still Napping

The problem is that it's overbudget, which isn't permitted.

Quote from Sacrieur
Going over-budget is absolutely not allowed.




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Dec 20 2015, 3:26 am Dem0n Post #6

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That's $134 over-budget counting the PSU, which you said didn't go against the budget, right? Subtracting the PSU from that makes you only go $50 over, unless that isn't allowed at all?




Dec 20 2015, 3:34 am Fire_Kame Post #7

wth is starcraft

Quote from Dem0n
That's $134 over-budget counting the PSU, which you said didn't go against the budget, right? Subtracting the PSU from that makes you only go $50 over, unless that isn't allowed at all?

Quote from Sacrieur
Going over-budget is absolutely not allowed.





Dec 20 2015, 4:24 am Excalibur Post #8

The sword and the faith

Oh well. Than Sac can use my outline and subtract where they see fit to do so if they want to. When I price things I price them through A. my preferred merchants and B. the tax I have to pay when shipped to me here in NJ. Since I know others do not necessarily have to pay those penalties its a mere few minutes of work to check a merchant or change a part and is a variable I try to account for as best I can. I don't mind helping people, in fact I like to, but if you need a build hand fed to you to the point that people need to give you lmgtfy link for simple questions or swaps you can go to /r/buildmeapc or conversely get fucked by a stick wrapped in barbed wire.




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Dec 20 2015, 4:50 am Sacrieur Post #9

Still Napping

Quote from Excalibur
Oh well. Than Sac can use my outline and subtract where they see fit to do so if they want to. When I price things I price them through A. my preferred merchants and B. the tax I have to pay when shipped to me here in NJ.

You listed the total price for you, going over-budget. I'd like to point out that you were perfectly willing to go over-budget, or else you would have reported a total sum number $1000. You didn't check at all to confirm it was, even though it is.


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I don't mind helping people, in fact I like to, but if you need a build hand fed to you to the point that people need to give you lmgtfy link for simple questions or swaps you can go to /r/buildmeapc or conversely get fucked by a stick wrapped in barbed wire.

Well let's stop and take a gander at your build to find out exactly how helpful it was. It appears to me you failed to read the OP appropriately, since it lists the tasks that are necessary in order of importance. Your monitor is the same $140 Acer in Roy's build. The problem, then, is that you spent more on the motherboard and graphics card than you spent on the monitor, which was rated more important than gaming.

Ignoring the requirements isn't helpful in the least.

Post has been edited 4 time(s), last time on Dec 20 2015, 4:24 pm by Sacrieur.



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Dec 20 2015, 5:33 am Roy Post #10

An artist's depiction of an Extended Unit Death

Quote from Excalibur
Roy, you're putting your name on some sketchy things IMO. You can't trust Newegg reviewers, you can't trust 'the market', because the market is the mob and the mob is stupid. Not going to go back and forth with you, but there's a reason people wait for certain people to reply to these topics, we have a rep from what we're willing to put our name on. Just keep that in mind alright?
Thanks for your feedback. I post to specs, and when there's a tight budget, it comes down to which corners you're willing to cut.

As much as I like SeaSonic, the fact is most computers don't have SeaSonics in them, and nothing terrible happens. There are some crappy units out there, but I'm willing to take an Enhance Electronics, FSP, CWT, or even HEC if the budget calls for it.

Quote from Sacrieur
I'd like to add that I've changed the requirements. I don't ever like to compromise on PSUs, so it must be Seasonic/Super Flower quality or equivalent.
Why you gotta do this to me, man?

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Dec 20 2015, 5:50 am by Roy.




Dec 20 2015, 7:33 am Lanthanide Post #11



Roy's build looks pretty good to me, in terms of distributing money around the components that matter.

Another aspect you should take into consideration, particularly for GPUs - they're the easiest component to upgrade later to get a performance boost. I don't think it's worth paying extra money now (especially if you've got a strict budget) to get a top-end GPU, when in 9 months time it will be getting dated anyway. And the top-end GPUs are really only for running games at very high resolution on large monitors. The monitor in Roy's build is only 23", so it you don't need a top-end GPU to run games at decent quality levels on that.



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Dec 20 2015, 7:43 am Roy Post #12

An artist's depiction of an Extended Unit Death

Quote from Lanthanide
Another aspect you should take into consideration, particularly for GPUs - they're the easiest component to upgrade later to get a performance boost.
That's a great point. Along those lines, it's not hard to pop in an SSD sometime in the future as well. Someone else also pointed out to me that I was too oriented toward the gaming aspect of the build, even though it is ranked lowest on the list of requirements.

With everything mentioned above in mind, and with the recent requirement change to exclude the PSU from the budget, I took another shot at this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790 3.6GHz Quad-Core Processor ($288.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: *Asus GeForce GTX 950 2GB Video Card ($128.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Antec One ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Wireless Network Adapter: Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($29.89 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Acer G257HU smidpx 60Hz 25.0" Monitor ($259.99 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Microsoft Keyboard 200 Wired Standard Keyboard ($7.99 @ Directron)
Mouse: Cobra E-3lue Wired Optical Mouse ($8.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $1078.76
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-20 02:30 EST-0500
CPU: The i7-4790 is the locked version of the Haswell flagship 4790K. While hyperthreading won't see much use in gaming, it improves CPU-intensive tasks found in the likes of Photoshop.

HSF: You're not overclocking, and the age of lower TDP means even the stock cooler is sufficient.

Mobo: A rock-solid Z97. Yes, you don't need a Z chipset because you're not overclocking, but they tend to be better quality than the others.

RAM: 16GB because Photoshop can be a real resource hog when you're working with large images. 8GB might be sufficient, but there's no reason to settle for "might" here.

SSD: Not included. An SSD is very easy to throw in later, so to fit the budget, skipping it for now makes a lot of sense.

HDD: The 1TB Caviar Blue, of course. It doesn't need to be large, because in the future you'll want a second drive and use one as a scratch disk.

GPU: The GTX 950 will play Skyrim. That's all I care about for the initial setup. The GPU is easy to upgrade later, so there's no need to break the bank at the expense of an overall balanced build.

Case: The Antec One is the most economical choice. It's a great case that can easily last through multiple builds if you treat it right.

PSU: The EVGA 550 GS is a cheaper Seasonic at the moment, but that one also has worse voltage regulation, so I opted for this for its higher quality.

Wireless: The same damn wireless card I've been recommending this entire time. Stop reading this line!

Monitor: This is really what this part list is built around. 1440p IPS.

Keyboard: El cheapo rubber dome keyboard. Push keys, text appears on screen. You just need something that works for now, and a tight budget calls for a boring keyboard.

Mouse: Basic optical mouse that I've personally used before. Again, it's easy to replace this component if it becomes insufficient at some point, but it should serve you well in the meantime.





Jan 11 2016, 2:48 pm Roy Post #13

An artist's depiction of an Extended Unit Death

Buy this PSU right now: http://slickdeals.net/f/8433067

JonnyGuru review (spoilers, it's a perfect score): http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story&reid=326




Jan 11 2016, 5:12 pm NudeRaider Post #14

We can't explain the universe, just describe it; and we don't know whether our theories are true, we just know they're not wrong. >Harald Lesch

Problem is, thanks to Rockz and Ex we all have awesome power supplies already and they won't die the next 10 years. :(




Jan 11 2016, 11:06 pm Excalibur Post #15

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Quote from NudeRaider
Problem is, thanks to Rockz and Ex we all have awesome power supplies already and they won't die the next 10 years. :(
#SeaSonicProblems :bleh:




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Jan 12 2016, 5:48 am rockz Post #16

ᴄʜᴇᴇsᴇ ɪᴛ!

I'm still on my 620 watt antec bronze I bought for $30. Seasonic rebrand of course. :D

Saw that platinum and drooled a little bit, but decided it's better to spend my money on things I'm actively using like keyboard, mouse, and monitor. As you get older, you tend to reasses your priorities. But hey, my 10 year old seasonic rebrand PSU is still alive and kicking in my parent's HTPC, so we weren't lying.



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Jan 12 2016, 7:36 am Sacrieur Post #17

Still Napping

Quote from NudeRaider
Problem is, thanks to Rockz and Ex we all have awesome power supplies already and they won't die the next 10 years. :(

It's not really about how long it lasts, necessarily.

I need a PSU that can protect your computer from unexpected voltages and never, ever mess it up. When your PSU blows, you can kiss a large chunk of your computer goodbye. Just like that. Fried. I have had a cheap PSU actually catch fire on me after a power surge, so never again.

Also thanks Roy I'll definitely pick it up.



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Jan 12 2016, 5:16 pm NudeRaider Post #18

We can't explain the universe, just describe it; and we don't know whether our theories are true, we just know they're not wrong. >Harald Lesch

Quote from Sacrieur
Quote from NudeRaider
Problem is, thanks to Rockz and Ex we all have awesome power supplies already and they won't die the next 10 years. :(

It's not really about how long it lasts, necessarily.

I need a PSU that can protect your computer from unexpected voltages and never, ever mess it up. When your PSU blows, you can kiss a large chunk of your computer goodbye. Just like that. Fried. I have had a cheap PSU actually catch fire on me after a power surge, so never again.
And thanks to rockz and Ex we have exactly that.




Jan 27 2016, 3:31 am ShadowFlare Post #19



I had my first Seasonic X650 from late 2010 die last week. The warranty actually expired only about 2 or 3 months ago. Fortunately, everything else seems to be fine. Also, it isn't my main system anymore, and thus doesn't have a high-end graphics card, so it is currently running with an older (but good) 300 watt unit, which has a larger 12 volt rail than any of those crappy cheap 400 - 500 watt power supplies you can get.

I've ordered another Seasonic as a replacement, but a step down from that series this time (a G series unit), and it should be coming soon.

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