https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3xb9h5/spoilers_were_gonna_need_a_flinn_and_bb8_thumbs/



Sorry I could only find BB-8 Thumbs up, I didn't find any images of BB-8 Flip off, howevere I did find this:
https://www.quora.com/STAR-WARS-SPOILERS-Did-BB-8-flip-off-Finn-or-give-him-a-thumbs-up
Sorry folks.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Jan 8 2016, 2:05 am by JCarrill0.

So you've never known friends to give each other the finger? Or insult each other? Or anything like that?

'Cause Disney movies *never* have double entendre in them, or dialogue designed to go over kids heads and make the parents laugh. Oh wait, they have them all the time.

Close friends, sure. Acquaintances? Never.

That's suggesting they've bonded and have gotten to know each other so well that they can playfully gesture at each other. It's a drastic interpretation, especially considering BB-8 never does to other characters, and never does anything similar with Finn throughout the rest of the film.

So you're suggesting it's a double entendre? If that's the case, you're conceding that it is a thumbs up with an alternate, non-canon interpretation. And you'd be correct, whether that was the intent of the film directors or not.

No, the actual meaning is the fingers, with a kid-friendly alternative interpretation that you've unfortunately bought into.

I think we can all agree that they definitely fucked up on clearly showing the intended gesture, or else there wouldn't be so much argument about it.

http://hollywoodredux.com/journal-entry/is-bb-8-giving-finn-a-thumbs-up-or-the-middle-finger/
Poll. Majority opinion is middle finger, but it's almost a 50/50 split.

lmao

There are no double entendres Disney has employed that ever treat the adult interpretation as canon. You're entertaining the idea of the alternate interpretation being true (despite the relational inconsistencies), and again, I won't take away your headcanon. That's what makes these sorts of things fun, after all.

The thing is, there isn't much more you could do for such a simple scene as returning a thumbs up with such a mechanical device. They could have given BB-8 a real hand or something, but that probably doesn't fit the character design very well.

On the other hand, a middle finger could have been accentuated by many factors, like the ones I listed earlier. Even making the ejection of the lighter forceful would have suggested it better. A smooth, friendly pan out and light in response to a thumbs up is not going to get that message across.

Or, as another idea, have Finn offer a fist bump or high-five to BB-8 instead. Then it would be clear that BB-8's gesture isn't associated with Finn's.

Again, lots of options if it were the actual intent. Sadly, it wasn't.

Edit: I looked up a leaked copy of the final script:

It's not definitive, but I think the wording of "Turns it upward" suggests a thumb more than a middle finger, though in the actual scene it is lifted up (which could be interpreted as either a thumb or finger).

Also, interestingly enough, it's a welding torch, not a lighter.

Where I found the script, if anyone's interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/3ywmuj/swtfa_final_script/cyhvzxu

Post has been edited 4 time(s), last time on Jan 8 2016, 3:13 am by Roy.

To me, a welding torch is pretty aggressive. If it was a thumbs up, he didn't have to light it.

If it was a welding torch, it could have made an amazing middle-finger, because the flame could have been made a lot bigger. Makes you wonder why they made it look so tame as to be misconstrued as a lighter.

I was just reading the following post, trying to pinpoint why I didn't really like the movie that much. I think it nails most everything wrong with the movie.

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/3xfqhw/spoilers_understanding_my_disappointment/?ref=search_posts

I'm actually confused about the lightsaber that Finn and Rey were using. It's supposed to be Luke's, but it's blue, which would indicate it's the one that Luke got in A New Hope (Anakin's lightsaber). However, Luke lost that one when Vader cut off his hand in Bespin, and R2D2 gave him a new, green one in Return of the Jedi, so where did this blue one come from?

Someone found it in Bespin. And somehow Maz came into possession of it.

Was the system that got wasted by the deathplanet Coruscant?

So anyway, number 1 problem I had with Ep7 was that it was a direct clone of Ep4 in story, in a ridiculous amount. Copy pasta from what I said elsewhere:


My main problem with it was how it was an exact clone of A New Hope. Droid with secret information crucial to rebellion ends up alone on a desert planet, young desert planet person who appears to have massive untapped Force potential finds droid, Empire First Order stormtroopers who look exactly like they did 35 years ago are searching the planet for the droid, droid and young future-Jedi escape on Millenium Falcon. Oh yeah and there's someone being tortured by the First Order's evil Sith second-in-command, and there's one military leader of the First Order who isn't a Sith who is at odds with the Sith second-in-command.

There's a Jedi apprentice who kills all the other Jedi apprentices (SW3) and becomes big bad Sith second in command, Sith second in command Ren/Vader kills an old man who was very close to him and essentially gave up his life for little reason, in the Death Star.

Oh yeah speaking of which THERE IS A DEATH STAR PLANET ROFLLLLL not even a different shape weapon or anything. At least in the extended universe the other super weapons had much different designs and generally played less of a prominent role. Oh and the rebellion, still a pretty rag-tag bunch of pilots with the exact same X-wings from 35 years ago blow up a PLANETARY-SIZED SUPER WEAPON by shooting up a little part of it.

Future-Jedi goes alone to a planet Dagoba with the last remaining Jedi in the galaxy Yoda, presumably to get trained in the next film.

And that's just the lack of originality, not even including the ridiculousness of the fight between Ren and the untrained chobos where Ren, super powerful Sith Lord of the line of Anakin Skywalker LOSES LOOOL, sure he was badly injured but even badly injured Sith are pretty OP. And Ren's completely unnecessary mask just so he can look and sound like Vader xDDDDD

Also Kylo Ren's ears stick out too much for him to be very intimidating, if those got cut off that would be pretty dank though.

I'm really kinda mad that they didn't at least go with some of the extended universe stuff, too. I guess Ben being Leia and Han's kid was pretty correct, and Luke restarting the Jedi. Everything else was like wat though. Finn was rly cheesy, so when he was trying to be serious it didn't really fit that well. Rey was pretty cool, I thought they did that part of the film quite well. The whole "bowcaster is rly strong weapon" thing was super over-played too, felt pretty try-hard to me.

I've seen a lot of people having a problem with this, but I don't think it's so unbelievable. Yeah, Kylo Ren's lineage stems from Vader, but so does Rey's, presumably. Also, you have to remember that he isn't a Sith lord yet; he's just an apprentice. The most extensive use of the Force we see from him is stopping a laser shot and reading peoples' minds. His lightsaber technique probably isn't even all that good; in fact, it's probably pretty bad, as evidenced by him throwing a fit and destroying the room that Rey escaped from. I'd say that he's only a little further along than Rey in terms of Force control, but it might seem like he's some master because he tries to make himself look like a big badass, even though he's really not. You can clearly see he's not hot shit when the other commander dude who answers to Snoke constantly threatens him and tries to one-up him. In the original trilogy, nobody dared to talk back to Vader, but in this one, nobody really seems to be scared of Ren. While I agree that having Finn mostly hold his own against Kylo Ren was dumb, I don't have a problem with Rey being able to beat him.

I just related the bad light saber battle because there isn't any good trainers left. Or am I just wrong?

Ren was pretty badly injured during the lightsabre fight. I find it odd that people don't mention it, as if it doesn't matter, or possibly they didn't actually notice?

He's like 20 years old and been trained as a Jedi by Luke first, and later as a Sith by Snoke. Rey's been chilling on a planet for most of her life with no lightsaber training or force training there, although there's the possibility there was some before she got there, that's unknown. There's no way there should be any contest; the way the film seemed to portray it was that Rey was getting super guidance from the force, which in terms of the SW universe as a whole doesn't make a lot of sense for her suddenly being able to waste Kylo Ren.

Him throwing a fit = good Sith, Sith are supposed to be angry yo

Also Grand Moff Tarkin taunted Vader and talked back to him, and General Hux is CLEARLY the Grand Moff Tarkin equivalent. Again, direct copy of Ep4 yo

If anything it made way more sense for Finn to be able to hold his own because he was trained since birth in combat.

@Lanth that's the whole bowcaster plot I touched on at the end of my rant, they overplayed how powerful the bowcaster is so that when Kylo Ren got shot it would make sense that he got wasted in the fight, that and him punching himself in the gut and bleeding on the snow. But it's still retarded, he was well enough to be running around and fighting, it may have taken the edge off but not enough to lose to a random scavenger with 0 training that we know of.



My hope for Ep8 is that Jar Jar Binks = Darth Plagueis and is the secret mastermind behind everything. Doubt it will happen though. Probs it will turn out that Rey is Luke's daughter and he dropped her off on Tattooine-2 after the new Jedi got wasted by Ren and his cronies so he could go mope on a mountain. It will be interesting to see if they roll with the Grey Jedi thing from the EU and Luke.

Or, for anyone other than a force user, they'd just have fallen over and bled to death, and it's only his force powers that are even keeping him alive and letting him run around. So he then doesn't have much concentration for the actual fight.

Then again, Rey carried a weapon with her everywhere, implying that as a scavenger she had to fight to survive. And I don't recall storm troopers being too adept at close-quarters combat; they specialize in ranged attacks. The injury is the main driving factor for Kylo Ren's defeat, so Rey holding her own isn't terribly shocking.

Honestly, I'm hoping Rey isn't Luke's daughter, because it's too predictable. They probably did this intentionally so that the next movie reveals her to be a Kenobi, and everyone will be blown away.

I too hope she is a kenobi. I will not be shocked if that happens, though, they are probably going with luke and not kenobi.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Apr 8 2016, 2:38 am by Roy.

This. Rey used a melee weapon presumably her whole life to defend herself, so it's not too ridiculous that she's able to wield a lightsaber.