don't drag the bible into this...

[Deleted. Questioning things for the sake of preventing harm is good, but I feel that back then, I was unable to do that nearly as effectively or maturely as I should have been. This is not a discussion I should've been a part of.]

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Jul 3 2018, 5:49 am by DavidJCobb.

When alcohol wasn't socially acceptable (or legally acceptable) it was still being used, eventually to the point where the social schisms (for the most part) disappeared. Most of them didn't advertise they drank, and eventually it's no longer illegal and is socially acceptable to drink. Being socially acceptable is a huge part of our society. Obviously times change, but I don't think as a society we are ready to embrace incest. I certainly am not.

The problem with atheists is you try to force atheism down our (christian) throats much like macfags babble on about their lifestyle choice in owning a mac. Agnostics are much friendlier in that regard. I personally don't care and was using that as an example of the extreme hypocrisy of some sects of Christianity.

Actually it isn't hypocrisy. Incest wasn't a crime for a very long time. Also, if the Adam and Eve folk really existed like the Bible says, there wouldn't be any genetic defects in the code to cause errors when incest occurred. I read some interesting articles on this a while ago.

David, your whole post made me laugh, in a good way.

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Especially given that all of the following were "socially unacceptable" at some point for some reason:

• Women that worked
  
• Jews
  
• Outcest (a previous post describes this)
  
• Pirates
  
• Goatse
  

In this order:

• Why were they out of the kitchen?
  
• Especially in WWII Germany
  
• Recognition
  
• Ahha! Not ninjas! That's because ninjas > pirates
  
• That's stretching the phrase "socially unacceptable" <--- you see what I did there?

Anyways, lols aside, he brings up several couple good points, especially the one about alcohol. Stopping people from drinking what they want creates organized crime. Maybe a previously unrelated vice, crime, etc will vanish if society learns to accept it?

My official stance with this is like my stance on abortion...I'd never do it, and abhor those in my family and society who do, yet I feel as if it should be allowed. Sort of like my stance on laws in general: if it doesn't directly affect me, why should I care? I have no sisters, so...

Really? You had me up until you said this. It's a little thing called compassion. If I saw some old grandma walking on the street, and some burglar came up and tried to steal her purse, and I happened to have a weapon in my hand... Well it wouldn't affect me directly... but I'd still disable the burglar's legs/save granny! But this is totally off-topic.

Pretty much... I agree with that long list of things... (LOL POKEMON, BURN THEM ALL)

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Apr 1 2010, 1:37 pm by TiKels.

You can't take one person's stance on laws and apply it to a crime. Although the two are closely related, many people have a widely varying stance upon legality and illegal actions.


Also, when was the last time you saw a burglar rob an elderly woman? Seriously?

Wikipedia says:
Prevalence is difficult to generalize, but research has estimated 10-15% of the general population as having at least one incest experience, with less than 2% involving intercourse or attempted intercourse.[9] Among women, research has yielded estimates as high as twenty percent.[8]

15% means that one of you has had "at least one incest experience"

Who is it? Own up!

As for my opinion, fatherXdaughter and older brotherXyounger sister squick me because they sound like rape. Other forms squick me much less. sisterXsister is probably on the opposite end of fatherXdaughter for me. Think about it for a bit, do you want to say it's wrong for sisters to hug? Of course you don't. Then basically you go in small steps making each step more lewd, and it's hard to find a brightline where you can go from "nothing wrong with that" to "omg that's so wrong."

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Apr 2 2010, 10:58 pm by scwizard.

IDK why I was quoted, but I agree with poison_us's statement.
There's a difference in crime where one person doesn't want whatever is happening to them. Generally, incest is consensual. The granny didn't want to get robbed. The raped woman didn't want to get raped. The guy who got shot didn't want to get shot. My stance on abortion is defined as when the baby can want something. I don't know enough about the details, but it's worse for the baby to come into this world and be abandoned/not loved.

Something indirectly affects me when it suddenly becomes okay for someone to do something to me which I don't want, and could be considered by our standards "a crime".

When you look at how many monarchies were ruled by incest babies...
I'm just going to leave it there.

I'm against incest for its general societal consequences. It's not by any means a requirement for advancement, and it can lead to increased deformations and suffering (even with the milder forms described here, there's something broadly termed the 'slippery slope' at play). Therefore, bad.

As strange of a person people feel I am, I actually walked out of the room when my twisted cousin was checking out his sister's goods.

What if it doesn't work out? Then you're stuck at family reunions with your "ex" for the rest of your life.

So? Either learn to put up with your "ex" or you don't go to family reunions. What happens when your ex is best friends with your best friend? Does that mean you should never try?

@Swift: I do believe that Jenkins was joking in a deadpan fashion.

I generally don't make eye contact and avoid speaking to her.

I assume you have experience with this fatal. Too bad. I would probably avoid eye contact if it was a nasty break up.

That is SOOOOOO much more convenient than finding someone that isn't in your family to date. But I guess that can be hard with only 3.5 billion women in the world

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Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Jul 3 2018, 5:53 am by DavidJCobb.