I am convinced.

I vote for Raitaki.

No, that is again not entirely correct.

Also, "the bar" can refer to the entire area, and they could have very well been sitting at a table. That's why I'm saying it's ambiguous.

You could be right, but that would mean there's two Scientists in this game, because I'm a Scientist and I got seduced.

I don't know what Jack could have possibly said to you Aristocrat, but I know it isn't true. If it's such a good reason to lynch Raitaki, why not post is publicly?

There's no evidence or behavioral analysis pointing at Rai and I confirmed his identity myself. I doubt he wrote a fake role PM before I asked him for it, so I'm certain he's legitimate.

My guess is the Mafia thought it'd be easy to bandwagon Rai after last game, and jumped at the opportunity when Roy posted the vote against him. I originally thought Roy was Mafia for starting the bandwagon, but since his claim has gone unchallenged I'll just assume he's legit for now too.

By all means though, share this compelling evidence. I have shared plenty of the behavioral analysis that points to Poison, why can't you post your evidence against Raitaki publicly? I know it isn't actual evidence, because as already stated, he is almost certainly a Townie.

I'm still waiting for you all to present me with ANY reason to lynch me at all aside from stupidity. And no, even if you say I'm so stupid I'd proably do something bad, I can't, cuz I'm a friggin crewmember. Hope y'all are happy.

Or maybe it's because someone here just saw a good chance to lynch a townie and threw away the key to the bandwagon.

Roy have you ever thought that maybe the mortician counts as a doctor?

And now that I think about it, what's to stop the hooker from picking on you all game?

Rai, we know you're probably crew; let's just say poison's a tad more important than a crewmember and leave the mafia guessing...
Basically we don't know 100% that you're town, but we do for poison. If you die, poison lives; it's nothing personal, just better for town. If you know any confirmed mafia we can switch to them but we need to do it fast so that night doesn't start before everyone switches to another target. Right now you have thee second most votes and are definitely not a town power role, making you the most logical choice.

Meh, the only reasoning was that poison threw in a random vote for Symmetry early into the voting progress. If anything, he was just trying to incite a reaction to help determine via behavioral analysis who might be mafia. I wouldn't say this is incriminating.

I promised that I'd get you killed, for one.

Also, implying you were the Bomb when instead you could have used Dodge as a Crewmember last night if you were worried. Fake claims don't get you far.

And why try to make the Mafia target someone else if you have a Crewmember role? Would you prefer them to hit a power role? No, that's not a good townie plan.

Also, I was probably chosen to be seduced because I was making those death threats against you, and out of the fear of possibility that I was the Vigilante, you wanted to disable me somehow. This also could explain why you claimed to be the Bomb towards the end of the night.

Yes, the Mortician is probably from the medical bay as well.

There's nothing to stop them, but I have a feeling they'll want to use a hit on me instead.

Well I'd assume the mafia hierarchy like this...

2 Hitman
1 - 2 Hooker
1 - 2 Mole
1 Traitor

At worst 7 - 15 (1 - 2)
At best 5 - 17 (1 - 3)

More likely than not the 2nd one... so our situation is bad but not hopeless... assuming Roy is scientist they will most likley hit him or seduce him the entire game. If the vigilante and all (if more than 1) investigators are dead we lose our power. However useful the mortician he is useless without a voice so currently the best situation is if Roy's plan works and both a doctor and mortician protect and tell him his investigation respectively.

However the odds of this are low but high enough to attempt... If we succeeds we'll have a unmovable rock.

Clue Analysis


Post has been edited 4 time(s), last time on Oct 5 2011, 4:03 am by Tempz.

Hmm....Abstain.

Day 1 Voting Progress
Roy : Raitaki
Wing Zero : Raitaki
Raitaki : Roy Abstain poison_us Abstain
Norm : Abstain
Tempz : Abstain poison_us
poison_us : Symmetry (1)
lil-Inferno : Raitaki Abstain
xAngelSpiritx : Abstain
Observer12425 : poison_us Abstain poison_us
Azrael.Wrath : poison_us
Zycorax : Tempz (1)
Jack : Tempz Raitaki
TiKels : Abstain poison_us
Symmetry : posion_us
OlimarandLouie : poison_us (6)
Riney : Raitaki
Dem0nS1ayer : Abstain
Aristocrat : Raitaki (5)

Currently up for lynching: poison_us

Not yet voted: Echo, Lingie, Excalibur, Vrael

And then you say.


Which is it? Do you know he is a member of the crew or not?

Thanks for confirming that Raitaki is almost certainly Town-aligned though.

There's about 30 hours before the vote ends, there's no reason to lynch a confirmed Townie (Raitaki) just to save a possible Mafia (Poison). Sorry, but lynching may be the only chance we have to get a Mafia, I'm not going to let you waste it on someone that even you admit is Town You have plenty of time to switch the vote to someone who might actually be Mafia.

Your strategy is basically "lynch Townies, just try not to lynch the useful ones." That makes absolutely no sense, and you're either an obvious Mafia or a god-awful Townie to suggest it.


Don't let one person convince you to suicide The only role you know for sure is yourself. If you are a Town role, then it's stupid to just let them kill you. The only reason someone would be this desperate to kill a Town role is if they themselves were not acting in the best interests of the Town.

Inbetween those posts I made numerous pieces of information were revealed to me from numerous sources suggesting that there is a high but not definite chance rai is a crewmember. And I'd love to vote someone else who's a confirmed mafia; question is who? At least with voting rai we won't accidentally kill a town power role. And there is still a slim chance that rai is mafia, and a chance that he'll become traitor later on. Currently lynching rai is the best option we have.

I vote Roy

Knife = Zycorax's avatar has a fork (knife and fork?) in it... probably nothing though
Muffled = Could be Echo's headphones (Avatar)

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Oct 5 2011, 4:23 am by Tempz.

Okay, so at least you can admit voting for Rai is equivalent to voting to kill a Townie.


It doesn't matter, look at Roy's other clues or make some up, it seems like you don't care who dies as long as it isn't Poison.


And you can't possibly kill a Mafia either It's better to vote for possible Mafia than definite Townies.

Facts:

1) You admit Raitaki is Town-aligned.
2) You want to lynch Raitaki.

It is baffling to me that you think this voting "strategy" makes sense. We cannot win like this. It's literally impossible.

To be fair, townies are possible mafia due to traitor role.

Yes but only normal townies can be a traitor but they will unknowingly help the town until they found out their true role. So it'd be best if we don't lynch Rai. Even if Rai is the traitor then he'll basically be deadlocked and his behavior will change but this hasn't been the case yet...

Who cares about the Traitor? He has Dodge, scary. Not worth killing off confirmed Townies just because they might become Traitor later.

Hmmm...On second thought, if I become traitor, then I won't be able to harm the town much anyway, since I know neither who the mafia members or the exact role of any of the townies are (except Roy, as he had made it obvious). Then there is Azrael's argument about having to lynch someone to progress the game. I think I'll keep my vote on poison until strong evidence emerges to prove his innocence and non-crewmemberness.

EDIT: Open to EVEN MOAR suggestions~

I had a whole post written out but my phone was being gay and erased it.

tl;dr Raitaki and Poison are not mafia and I'll switch my vote off rai if we find another mafia suspect