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meh.

Awesome news, too bad I can't call myself a mapper. Still cool though.

I only hope that they will change the upload timeout limit, too. Currently it is 2 minutes.
If you need longer, the file transfer will be aborted. I can't upload anything significant with this limit from my parent's house. I can upload a bit more than 1 mb within 2 minutes there.

That pretty much means that I will add monster sounds to my map and can potentially have many custom models.

So you don't like that they double the space "reserved" for every license owner?
It's not as much as the "infinite" SCBW possibility, but I don't think that many people made more than 20 good/polished maps that are worth to be hosted.

Why can't we make 1024x1024 sized terrains yet

Nice, 100mb! Now, if only you used sprites instead of models, then you could possibly fit Armageddon Onslaught across 5 maps.

With triggers and text tags you could use sprites... but you would have to trigger a whole engine for that. ;D

Yes, why can't we do that? Because of increased pathfinding algorithm costs? Because stuff gets to small on minimap?

At least give us 512x512. That's totally doable.

And by us, I mean you guys. >_>

Nothing doing.

This is like.. driving a Bugatti Veyron, wearing a suit made of bacon, and a gold crown on your head, into Zimbabwe, and then offering a baby a bottle of milk.

We know you can do better than that.

I honestly have no idea what that analogy is supposed to mean.

I think his hatred for everything in the gaming industry has turned his brain to mush.

He's saying that Blizzard is capable of giving us so much (the rich man with the gold crown and bugatti), yet they only give us this little thing (like just giving a baby some milk when the whole country needs a hell lot more help).

i r smart ;o

As of December 2010, the game has sold nearly 4.5 million units. Let us assume that 6 months later (ie. now), the game has sold 6 million units.

6 million * 100mb = oh look, only 600 THOUSAND gigabytes of free storage for map makers to use.

Bugatti veyron zimbabwe. Yup. Makes perfect sense.

As of twelve years ago, SC1 has no storage limitations.

so x number of people * infinite number of mb = oh look, they can DEFINITELY do better than that.

and yes, my point is just as ridiculous as yours..

Not to mention getting kicked from any game in which you have to download the map. Please UU - go lurk for a month or two. Reflect. Learn self control.

Or how about the fact that any map with a filesize above 200 kb is absolutely impossible to get anyone to download because they leave immediately.

That's a big filesize limit IMO.


I think we would all do better if he just ceased posting altogether. Lol.

I think you are both making unfair assumptions, such as not recognizing the fact that a vast majority of players are not mapmakers. While Blizzard is capable of doing more, that argument could be applied to almost any limitation of many, many things. A lot of email providers, for example, cap the amount of storage, as well as the max file size you can send in an email. Sure, they could offer more, but they do not for certain reasons that apply to them. Blizzard is just testing the waters with this map publishing system, and it is completely reasonable to increment these restrictions slowly as to not hinder performance or cause unforeseen storage issues.

Now that is just unreasonable. While UnholyUrine has an obvious bias in his general opinion of Blizzard, it's unfair to say his arguments do not hold merit. I personally enjoy alternate perspectives on an issue because I am open-minded and can admit when I am not right (although it can be tiresome reading the same thing again and again). Your attitude is more deprecating to me than UU's statements.

Ultimately, my point is - how can you argue that anything Blizzard have just changed is bad? Oh, by saying that it is not enough?

100 megabytes for total map storage? Shit, you show me a Starcraft 2 map that comes within 20% of that and I'll admit that Blizzard aren't doing enough. Ahli is using all the sounds, a hell of a lot of models, textures, fonts, and images from Diablo 1, and I don't think he's even hit the 10MB mark. {Edit} To clarify, you can create a mod containing all the models and custom assets for your map and use this as one of your map slots. Then upload a map file which uses this mod as a dependency effectively allowing you to create a single map with 100mb total size {/Edit for noobs}

Long story short; UnholyUrine doesn't even attempt to make maps. His understanding of custom map making for SC2 is limited at best. He hasn't even purchased Starcraft 2 for himself (he bums off a friends account). Yet he maintains this attitude and quite frankly it is getting old, and boring - and ultimately it's useless, what does it give to a so called map-making community? Considering how 99% of his posts are as above, I seriously agree with TiKeLs. Sorry if that's harsh, but I find it to be a true and fair account.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on Jun 18 2011, 9:07 am by NudeRaider. Reason: lets not heat the debate unnecessarily

I agree with the above assessment. Cardinal's point about the mathematics of Blizzard's provided space is not ridiculous, but UU's self-claiming ridiculous equation is. It makes no sense to me why someone would constantly complain about a game they don't own and a system they don't even want to use.

Clearly Blizzard's willingness to change their system over time is reason enough to stop bickering about what they aren't giving us.

EDIT:
Depends on the argument. Though I do agree that hearing both sides is great and helps keep you open-minded, a majority of what UU has complained about regarding SC2 and SC2 mapmaking is no longer valid due to Blizzard listening to the mapmaking community and making changes.

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Well too bad.. Unless you ban me.. which I don't really mind at this moment

Also.. Blizzard has never listened to the mapmaking community.
The new space is probably for their own maps, in light of the upcoming Map Market.

I realize this is a very unfair statement and may be untrue.. but if they really were listening to us, then there would be LAN, cross-region, and a whole slew of other things that should've been added/removed.
Bias, and a love for a game is one thing.. but ignoring the all the shitty things and decisions that they have done/made and just emphasize everything they are doing now is being far too lenient on a company that one would expect to.. or at least have expected to.. make little to no mistakes on their games.

EDIT: Also. they're still making poor decisions. Map Market? Kerrigan being Black? Adding more random variables in maps that still don't really help mappers (except for the "up and coming" one)... ehhh...

Also... I added the "and yes, my point is just as ridiculous as yours..".. just in case people started raging.
Did nobody catch that?

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Also, I doubt that none of my knowledge in SC1 mapping can extend to SC2 mapping.
At least in theorizing and designing, it's still an UMS game for UMS players. There's not a whole lot of differences.
The biggest sort of.. change.. in the mapping scene right now is that Maps have to be huge projects in order for it to have any meaning. All due to the dreaded popularity system, which is due to Activision wanting more money from us by making a Map Market.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Jun 18 2011, 9:10 am by NudeRaider. Reason: unnecessary