Sender: Mini Moose 2707
Time: 1 hour ago
Type: Moderation Action
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Reason given: See my post about why your post is not allowed: http://www.staredit.net/336153/

My posting read...

"Never heard of it, none (or other)" <--- This gives information as to why i voted for other as well as information to the original author that it might be a good idea to post some links to provide some more in depth information about this tv series so that others who may be interested can familiarize themselves.

Now, whether you agree with my posting breaking rules or not, based on moose's reasons for deleting my post, the majority of posting found in that topic should be removed as well.


Why?

That's nice, why does it make you sad?

Why?

I got a PM for this?

Obvious troll is obvious.
Inb4

EDIT: Might as well elaborate. This is not how you protest. A discussion in the shoutbox works. Simply posting more information works, but why do that? Silly me, that would remove the problem!

You forget the line "Posts exhibiting a lack of effort or thought will be removed at moderation's discretion." You also so carefully didn't quote the "Don't be a dick" rule. You also forget that you're on a site that is provided to you free of charge at the expense of others. While it's not ok for the ones providing the payment to be tyrants, deleting useless, reported posts like yours or mine are completely outside the realm of tyranny.

TL;DR: Don't be a bonehead.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Aug 28 2012, 1:47 am by poison_us.

Does this suffice to reasoning of why i posted here instead of the shoutbox or initial thread?

That being said i've also witnessed Azrael reemed in the shoutbox for not taking his issues to the appropriate place.

I don't think the moderation has had another chance yet to get to all the stupid posts in that topic? Also, its much easier to notice that a post should be deleted when it's been reported, a lot of times the moderators/Moose won't notice something is breaking the rules simply due to the large volume of posts that have to be read (though this is really only an issue in Null, where moderators probably don't even read half the topics because they're so pointless).

I guess my point is, if you get moderated, its more of an unlucky break for you than any "unfairness" on their part. So much shit slides on SEN, that when something finally does get caught it feels unfair, but in reality its like getting audited by the IRS. Sure you didn't do anything to really deserve it, and theres a million people out there who are actually evading taxes, but its just the (un)luck of the draw.

Honestly the most appropriate place for a discussion like this unless you're looking to band wagon or unless it effects a wide variety of members (so far I count two) is probably over PM. I reported Poison's post because he said "None." There was a poll that asked who is your favorite character, yes, but the original post doesn't ask a question that would have the appropriate response be "none." And since this wasn't providing any useful or relevant information for discussion I reported it. I also thought that as his post was made shortly after this conversation:

[10:50 am] poison_us -- Time to go to class, later!
[10:50 am] poison_us -- Sorry, I have no religious affiliation, so I don't have the luxury of ignoring facts.
[10:49 am] poison_us -- Band wagonning? As in agreeing with others just because you don't want to be out in the cold region of science that ignores facts?
[10:48 am] Fire_Kame -- That doesn't prove you're good at making observations, it proves you're good at band wagonning though. And I guess scientists are good at that.
[10:47 am] Fire_Kame -- because you lack the social skills to interact civilly with other people?
[10:47 am] poison_us -- I'm good at making observations...and I enjoy phrases like "mother liquor".
[10:47 am] poison_us -- There's a reason why I'm a Chemistry major, Kame.
[10:46 am] Fire_Kame -- wow poison. Was that even necessary. -_-
[10:46 am] poison_us -- Don't you have to have good looks to be in Theater?
[10:45 am] poison_us -- Just wondering...

Poison was upset that I defended myself against his attacks, and wasn't serious about my thread. Past posts have proven that he is not serious about my threads either.

But really in the end...it's in an Off Topic forum...the amount of people that thread is going to see I could probably count on two hands.

But I didn't report you, Staxx. I don't know why your post was removed, other than you didn't contribute.

From the looks of it, you posted your "Never heard of it" comment after Moose said the following:
If you're going to do that right after someone makes a post with their mod hat on, you shouldn't be surprised when you get moderated for it. That's my opinion on the issue, at least. (Though it may have been edited in/rephrased after the fact; even "don't give a damn" would cover saying you've never heard of it with no inclination of learning more.)

Shoutbox discussions don't really carry the weight for change: I see it as an outlet for complaining rather than challenges or suggestions for reform. For cases like this one, I would take/recommend the following steps of action:

1) Contact the moderator via PM. Discuss why you think their action was unfair, and listen to why they think it was fair.
2) If dissatisfied with that conversation, contact another member of the staff, and allow them to get your perspective of the issue. They'll probably start talking to other staff at this point (if they haven't already) if there's really some action that should be taken.
3) If after getting a second opinion, you still think you're in the right, but both members of the staff have argued against you, create a topic like this to get public discussion.

You can skip step 2 if you'd like, but you should at least go through with step 1 before making the leap to step 3.

We (or at least I) tend to be more lenient on posts until one gets reported. Reports can go further than you think, so if you believe something is "sliding" that shouldn't, give that button a nice, solid click and testify.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Aug 28 2012, 4:08 am by Roy. Reason: Deleted posts I was referring to

Seems like there are a lot of hurt in someone's butt.

It's generally a good habit to not post anything when one has nothing to contribute, no matter how tempting it is

Roy has summarized my position well. It is true that I edited in the "don't know what it is" portion, (the rest was there at the time) but it should have gone without saying. By the strictest interpretations of the rules, it is true that the other posts could be deleted. (and perhaps the rules should be more clear or loosened) However, it is at least clear that all of the quoted posters (DevliN, Raccoon, and Fire_Kame) not only know what Community is, but do give a damn about it.

This is true and this is why backseat moderators are told to use the report function.

This is true, but not really applicable here.

Which is correct.

"Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something."
- Plato

I do not see how you can get worked up over a deleted post to a topic you do not care about or know anything of.
Voting in the poll is fine, but, if you have nothing to say, your lips should be sealed.

In my time here on SEN, I have only ever had one post deleted.
To this day, I still wonder how asking for cooperative assistance in a game a thread is based around is considered, "Off Topic", Zycorax.

Posting in the topic alone should say to you i have an interest. Just because my posting wasnt viewed as an "immediate contribution" to the topic doesn't mean that it was a nonsense post. We're not running for president here.

In a civilized manner this is how i feel it should have played out.

Staxx - Never heard of it, none (or other)

Other user - Staxx, it's a tv series about a group of students lives at community college. I suggest reading up on it here or watching a few episodes here.

But instead i just got "lol stupid noob, report and delete"

I don't have time to go more in depth at this moment, i may touch more on this later. But i will leave it on this note, the vast majority of my postings can be found in ums mapmaking assistance attempting to help others. Based on my posting history alone should indicate that i do not post unless i genuinely have an interest. This i feel should be taken into consideration by the staff for any member when considering a post as "not contributing".

Either way it looks as though i have no choice but to drop this as everyone seems to be saying suck it up buttercup

You didn't get a "stupid noob, report and delete" you got a post from a moderater explaining why your post was removed.

A. Your post was not reported.
B. Nobody called you stupid. The fact that you have chosen to post here in this manner already contradicts this.
C. Nobody called you a noob. Indignant exaggeration and oversimplification does not help your case.
D. If you genuinely had an interest in Community but didn't know what it was, then why didn't you ask or look it up? If this were the case, then your post was subject to moderation by The Google Rule because your post was implying a question about something that you could have easily looked up.

I have not examined your posting history thoroughly so I do not know your posting quality completely, but I do see you posting in UMS Assistance and I do see you making maps as well; I am happy that you contribute your talents to SEN. Regardless, even if I were fully informed, I cannot assume that every single post you make is okay because all of the ones you have made before it have been okay. Furthermore, your post is judged by what it is, not the intenetions behind your post. I did not intend for this individual moderation to pass judgment on your character or make it appear as though your good nature has been ignored and I am sorry if it ever appeared that way.

Wow, all I did was make a post here about how moderating new members will probably drive them away, whether they deserve it or not, and I get point moderation from Roy? God forbid I don't jump on the "YOU DESERVED IT NOOB!" band wagon.

I have half a mind to start my own topic.

It should be irrelevant whether or not they're new or how much they have or will contribute to the community. That's bias.

Correct. Just making the point that we don't keep new members in these situations, where we would have otherwise. A point that deserves hard moderation.

I agree. Having that point moderated is ridiculous.

This is a more efficient way of saying what I was trying to express in the ending of my last post.

I also agree. Fortunately for all of us here, moderation here in general also agrees because the moderation was not about the point itself, but rather the manner in which it was made. "Correct. Just making the point that we don't keep new members in these situations, where we would have otherwise." and "And there goes another new user... Vets/elites only! /sarcasm" are two different ways of expressing the same point. The former is constructive and cooperative, the latter (the way you actually posted the first time) is sarcastic criticism. The moderation was - or should have been - for the manner in which you made the point, not the point you were trying to make. If you're making a point with an attitude, moderation stops caring about how valid your point is and your right to express it. The opposite is also true because now that you have made your point with better manners, the posts will not be deleted.

It is also off-topic in the sense that staxx (as far as I know) has no plans to leave the site. If you feel you have to open your own topic, that might even be appropriate as discussion of how moderation can be detrimental to SEN and new members in particular would probably become disruptive towards discussion of this individual moderation issue.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Aug 28 2012, 10:19 pm by Mini Moose 2707.

I thought everyone spoke sarcasm.

But alas, foreign languages are forbidden...

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Don't be dismayed if the mod staff deletes your posts. Happens all of the time. I even had a post deleted from this thread!

Attitude: Chipper

From history, I can tell you it normally plays out with someone replying with something like "Then why are you posting...?" (or reporting it with a similar message) or your post is ignored completely. On occasion, someone will reply with, "Watch it. Now." In any case, expecting an explanation (which, really, a better explanation should have been in the original post) without asking for one is not likely to happen in this kind of situation.

For the record, I allowed your post until another post was reported, at which point I went back and moderated all posts accordingly. That goes back to my "lenient until someone ruins it for everybody" philosophy. And, as Moose said, if your point had been written out in the manner of the second post, I wouldn't have had any reason to moderate it when that did happen. I assure you the moderation wasn't for the side you chose, and I'm sorry if you felt I was being unfair.

But really, I can't imagine someone getting moderated for asking what the show is about, especially a subjective inquiry such as, "What makes the show interesting?"

Watch the show and find out, duh.

I've skimmed this thread for the most part, and I agree with Moose and Roy wholeheartedly. Not to mention this would have been much better suited as a PM to the moderator that you originally disagreed with, and if you further disagree with the decision, then a PM to me would have been ever more bettererest as pretty much all moderation disputes take place in PMs. Unfortunately the one major thing that seems to go against your entire case is that you responded with a post that defied Moose's warning post made hours earlier.