World of Starcraft... Eliminated, too bad
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UnholyUrine
Jan 22 2011, 1:02 am
Post #2
OlimarandLouie
Jan 22 2011, 1:06 am
Post #3
IskatuMesk
Jan 22 2011, 1:55 am
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If by "mod" you mean "map" then you would be correct. Technically speaking, mods are illegal in sc2 (both mpq modding and mpqdraft/memory patching), and will likely remain that way.
Otherwise this is nothing unusual. Calling a project "World of Starcraft" is definitely along the lines of what happened to campaigns before back in sc1, where they were requested to rename themselves so they weren't called themselves "expansions" in any shape or form. I'm sure you probably remember the SC2Wc3 conversion, too. Of course, the staffing in Bluzzard is different now. There are no warnings, there's just removal. |
Post #4
Lanthanide
Jan 22 2011, 2:08 am
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"Tho it is fair from a company sense that they don't want another game to be named World of Starcraft, they are certainly showing no signs of consideration."
Not really, as someone said on Slashdot: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() O)FaRTy1billion -- "Lanthanide -- surely you have photos of yourself dressed up as a girl, az?" I don't have pictures of me dressed up as a girl.
O)FaRTy1billion -- One time I was jumping on a trampoline (at that very friend's house xD) with water balloons in my shirt held up by a belt. Azrael.Wrath -- ... |
Post #5
UnholyUrine
Jan 22 2011, 2:31 am
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Neki
Jan 22 2011, 2:33 am
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morals are made up, just like unicorns and rainbows.
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I knew as soon as I looked at the title that it was going to be UnholyUrine. I have a sixth sense when I hear something bad about Starcraft, it has to be Unholy.
They certainly could have just asked them to change the name (like Valve does) but I'm sure if they changed the name themselves that wouldn't get into any trouble. By using trademarks, you're basically asking for trouble. What did the guy expect? Also, because of all this publicity, the programmer responsible for the map was offered a job (or interview at least) at Riot Games. SO ENOUGH WITH THE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM AND GLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM OOOOOHHHHH NOOOOOOOOO Blizzard is a company that is willing to protect it's copyright and trademarks, OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Post #7
UnholyUrine
Jan 22 2011, 3:04 am
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Roy
Jan 22 2011, 3:24 am
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Everything green is safe to eat.
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SC isn't limited to one planet, so obviously the name should have been Universe of StarCraft. Blizzard was furious at the ignorance and thoughtlessness shown in the name and took action.
Baneling should have been a selectable character, with optional hardcore mode. Anyway, the video is a great example of how versatile the SC2 editor is. Blizzard should promote it rather than shun it. But I'm no lawyer... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Learn how to make EUDs: [EUD] A Mapmaker's Guide for Creating EPDs
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Post #10
DevliN
Jan 22 2011, 4:23 am
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SOMETHING STATUS GO
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I think its funny how blown out of proportion this all is. People thought this was a real standalone game, not just a map (thanks to everyone using the term "mod" to describe SC2 maps now), so Blizzard had the videos removed. The map maker and Blizzard have both stated that no one is getting sued, the map is still being made, and the whole thing is a misunderstanding thanks to people reporting things based on hearsay rather than fact.
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Post #11
Lanthanide
Jan 22 2011, 5:59 am
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Having the technical skills required to do something, and having the vision, drive and dogged patience to actually carry through and implement the vision is quite different.
This should be evident by the number of stalled maps on this site. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() O)FaRTy1billion -- "Lanthanide -- surely you have photos of yourself dressed up as a girl, az?" I don't have pictures of me dressed up as a girl.
O)FaRTy1billion -- One time I was jumping on a trampoline (at that very friend's house xD) with water balloons in my shirt held up by a belt. Azrael.Wrath -- ... |
Post #12
payne
Jan 22 2011, 6:15 am
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Addicted to SEN Games -Add more!-
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I am aware of this. What I mostly meant was that it looked like everyone seems to think he is -so- talented while he actually only has will/patience/passion (which I admire from him). I just dislike when persons are rewarded for stuff they shouldn't be rewarded for (I rage when I see people receiving Honor Medals because, seriously, nearly anyone would've done the same thing... a kid saving her mother from drowning isn't impressing me at all >_>).
/rage Clarification: I have nothing against the guy, it's more against the popular thoughts. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Post #13
DevliN
Jan 22 2011, 6:15 am
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SOMETHING STATUS GO
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I see nearly no creativity in his work and I'm still wondering why a gaming company actually offered this guy a job. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() CURRENTLY WORKING ON Shadowlands | Demonic: Urban Apocalypse Invasion: Ares | Recon | OMG TEH ZOMBIES!!! |
Post #14
IskatuMesk
Jan 22 2011, 1:50 pm
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Riot Games are one of those guys who made a DotA clone, right? I know one of their staff and he told me to apply as a VA. Doesn't mean I'm going to do it, though, because I'm not going to become commercially involved in anything I do.
This guy should drop sc2 and head to a newer, greener field, or take that job offer and drop out of the Blizzard community entirely. |
Post #15
Cardinal
Jan 22 2011, 2:02 pm
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Agree with Mesk and DevliN on this one.
With a youtube video uploaded under the title of World of Starcraft - this was bound to happen. Blizzard were well within their rights to ask him to remove the videos. As far as I can tell, at no stage of this entire episode was he asked to discontinue working or destroy his project. It's just hearsay and rumours, and individuals who are eager to jump at anything to rub Blizzard in the dirt. Yourself included Unholy . Payne makes a good point also (I know right?!?!)... the fact is not that his map displays great amounts of talent or ingenuity... it is however, the fact that he spent the time to create it. I am pretty damn sure that I could create something 10x better than what was posted in that video - it's just the simple fact that I can't be bothered to do so. Also, as for his 'offer of work' at RiotGames - so what? League of Legends and RiotGames are hardly on any sort of competitive footing with, well, ANY game developers out there. What would have been impressive is if he created a map so unique and intersting that Blizzard thought 'shit, this guy's actually quite good'. But, the reality of it, proves that he is not that good - and the media whoring/blizzard hating just amplified this whole little story. Edit: Also, this whole terminology bullshit pisses me off. This is not a 'Mod'. It is a 'Map'. All those linked articles can't seem to get this into their heads. This is just possibly an 8 player custom map with a lot of effort put into it. Maybe even 16 or 12 players - but it is not an MMORPG, and it is not that impressive, and aghh. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Gone.
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Post #16
Ahli
Jan 22 2011, 4:20 pm
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Nothing yet! Almost done. Very powerful, very strong.
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It's hillarious how much overreacting you show to this. This might happened:
Some guy working for Blizzard's management sees the video and/or a poorly written article and thinks something like: "omg. someone uses our trademark titles to make an own product. I need to report that!". Then other people watch it and with the changed GUI and camera angles and the people may didn't identify Starcraft 2 in that anymore. So they download the video (maybe), contact youtube to delete the video and did more research about that. As far as I know the creator had to be contacted to make Blizzard's staff understand that everything was a sc2 map only! Ashamed by the huge error within Blizzard's rows, some people invited the mapper for their stupidity and the created public focus onto the project. They may also thought about how BIG that project is and may hoped for some detailed review about their editor and what can be improved or is needed or whatever. Maybe they even want to see his plans and he may even get hired, if someone in the management decides that this is a cool idea and that they should start to realize that project in any form by themselves. Short story: Blizzard fails -> Blizzard invites -> some unpredictable effects in the future He is just a lucky person. Atm he gathers editor improvement ideas on sc2mapster. Someone might post there to ask Blizzard to add an option to have a unit aquire targets only that the unit itself can "see" which would allow "don't shoot over walls" like in my case. This depends on the implementation of the vision system, so that may be super easy to implement. I'm to lazy to register over there. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Post #17
FaZ-
Jan 22 2011, 4:29 pm
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This is an obvious response by a company to an obvious problem. If Blizzard wants to make World of StarCraft in 5 years they'll have an issue if this mod gets big. They also don't want their customers misled, the creator was stupid to name it that to begin with. His response to Blizzard is incredibly naive, whether his project is good or not.
Some guy working for Blizzard's management sees the video and/or a poorly written article and thinks something like: "omg. someone uses our trademark titles to make an own product. I need to report that!". Then other people watch it and with the changed GUI and camera angles and the people may didn't identify Starcraft 2 in that anymore. So they download the video (maybe), contact youtube to delete the video and did more research about that. As far as I know the creator had to be contacted to make Blizzard's staff understand that everything was a sc2 map only! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Post #18
Cardinal
Jan 22 2011, 4:38 pm
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If Blizzard wants to make World of StarCraft in 5 years they'll have an issue if this mod gets big. As far as I'm concerned this is a complete (and terribly pathetic and self-serving) fabrication. Feel free to cite something that shows you aren't talking out of your ass. ^ contradictory or what? ;p 1. It's not a 'mod'. It's a 'map'. 2. So therefore, it is limited to Battle.net. 3. 10 players I think is as MMO this RPG is ever going to be. And also, I know pretty much for a fact that Blizzard won't be making a World of Starcraft in the next 5 years. Or ever. It'll be sort of like releasing Warcraft: Orcs and Humans content in the Starcraft 2 engine. This post was edited 1 time, last edit by Cardinal: Jan 22 2011, 4:45 pm. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Gone.
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Post #19
IskatuMesk
Jan 22 2011, 5:36 pm
Post #20
FaZ-
Jan 22 2011, 5:59 pm
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Have you guys read ... anything?
Blizzard: Earlier this week, a player-made StarCraft II mod called World of StarCraft and described as a “StarCraft MMO” was featured on a number of prominent gaming news sites, catching the attention of gamers as well as our own. With the name so closely resembling that of World of Warcraft, we wanted to discuss the title of the mod with the developer, and as part of our routine procedure, we contacted YouTube to request the video be removed while that discussion took place. We were also curious about the project and wanted to discuss with the developer what the mod entailed. The words are largely interchangeable pretty much everywhere except here, I think Blizzard actually suggested a while ago that mapmakers refer to their project as mods. Anyway, the massive red herring you both just attempted to pull is pretty much QED. Whether they have it planned or not yet is irrelevant. They could do it eventually, and therefore it's standard and certainly acceptable business practice to reserve the name. Devlin summed it up nicely above. This post was edited 4 times, last edit by FaZ-: Jan 22 2011, 6:08 pm. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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