Mm, thanks for the explanation. So a 7v1 map where the 1 player gets massive income would not, therefore, be rigged, since there is no "hidden" trigger involved that only the creator knows.

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Mm, thanks for the explanation. So a 7v1 map where the 1 player gets massive income would not, therefore, be rigged, since there is no "hidden" trigger involved that only the creator knows.

Such a map might be imbalanced, but it wouldn't be rigged.

Both Jaff and Imageo have given bad examples, because their hypothetical rule breaking maps already break the "no stolen maps rule"

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- No stolen maps. You risk being banned permanently from Staredit.net.

Basically, the "no rigged maps" rules is an unnecessary redundant rule.

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Both Jaff and Imageo have given bad examples, because their hypothetical rule breaking maps already break the "no stolen maps rule"

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- No stolen maps. You risk being banned permanently from Staredit.net.

Basically, the "no rigged maps" rules is an unnecessary redundant rule.

No, it isn't. A map doesn't have to be stolen to be rigged.

You have to steal a map in order to rig it. Your lack of providing examples isn't helping your point.

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You have to steal a map in order to rig it. Your lack of providing examples isn't helping your point.

You could simply make a rigged map yourself... say Norm makes a 'special' version of hero sanctuary that has a special secret only he knows about that gives him 1000000 minerals and 300 invinc lings in the enemy base. He can't have stolen it because he made it, and it's not imbalanced, it's clearly rigged. Hence, as ImagoDeo said, "A map doesn't have to be stolen in order to be rigged."

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You have to steal a map in order to rig it. Your lack of providing examples isn't helping your point.

You could simply make a rigged map yourself... say Norm makes a 'special' version of hero sanctuary that has a special secret only he knows about that gives him 1000000 minerals and 300 invinc lings in the enemy base. He can't have stolen it because he made it, and it's not imbalanced, it's clearly rigged. Hence, as ImagoDeo said, "A map doesn't have to be stolen in order to be rigged."

Norm would never do that, of course.

Thanks, Vrael.

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You have to steal a map in order to rig it. Your lack of providing examples isn't helping your point.

Depends how you define 'steal'. Let's ignore the simple fact that Blizzard owns all our maps and say that an author 'owns' his creation. If you define 'owner' as the person whose name is on the map, you can rig a map without changing the name, hence, without stealing it. You could call that a 'bad/stupid edit'. If you consider the 'owner' to be the person who originally created the map in its unedited form and any edits to it (even if his name is kept on the map) are considered 'stealing', then yes, you must steal a map to rig it.

But by your definition, many maps that were edited for the better are 'rigged'. Which is why Moose wrote what he wrote.

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Mm, thanks for the explanation. So a 7v1 map where the 1 player gets massive income would not, therefore, be rigged, since there is no "hidden" trigger involved that only the creator knows.

Such a map might be imbalanced, but it wouldn't be rigged.

Here's another example, in my old StarCraft 2 map there's actually a 7th race that only I knew about, selected at the beginning like the other races except in a way you couldn't possibly do on accident. I added it mainly to see if I could design another race with the handful of random unused units I had left over, and balanced it properly.

So in this example, even though it's not imbalanced, it would still be rigged?

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Here's another example, in my old StarCraft 2 map there's actually a 7th race that only I knew about, selected at the beginning like the other races except in a way you couldn't possibly do on accident. I added it mainly to see if I could design another race with the handful of random unused units I had left over, and balanced it properly.

So in this example, even though it's not imbalanced, it would still be rigged?

I would consider that rigged because only you know about it. Rigging a map doesn't always mean you give yourself a huge bonus, it just refers to having something in it that only you know about and only you can use.

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Here's another example, in my old StarCraft 2 map there's actually a 7th race that only I knew about, selected at the beginning like the other races except in a way you couldn't possibly do on accident. I added it mainly to see if I could design another race with the handful of random unused units I had left over, and balanced it properly.

So in this example, even though it's not imbalanced, it would still be rigged?

I would consider that rigged because only you know about it. Rigging a map doesn't always mean you give yourself a huge bonus, it just refers to having something in it that only you know about and only you can use.

Ah I see, well next time I put it up I guess I'll include a diagram showing how to unlock the extra content