Haha, sorry, can't help. I only have experience in the second one.

However, if you want some technical stuff that's unlikely to work in practical situations, you can examine the subject for signs of attraction/love on their part... Crossed arms when in your presence is a defensive posture and could indicate insecurity. Eyes glancing down and to their right indicates extreme emotion. Dilation of the eyes when they look at you means they like what they see.

I'm sure you are.

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In the assumption the setting is in class.

1) (pick which applies to you best)

A) If you are generally someone who keeps to yourself (excluding when you're with friends, in which case you are sociable), stare back at her with a blank facial expression until she looks away, blushing.
After class, don't go after her. She will come after you. If she does not, this will only build suspense.
Repeat until she goes after you (by this I mean she initiates the conversation; remember, case A applies to when you have shown yourself to be sociable with those closer to yourself and are naturally a bit introverted).

Upon her initiation, stay cool and remember from this point forwards: take it easy. Just keep accepting any calls/requests for talks, visits, help, dates, etc. If you absolutely must reject a call/request, decline it gracefully and apologetically; this will show her that you care.

From here on, all you have to do is take it easy and let her grow on you; dropping the indifference act with her slowly and steadily will definitely keep the relationship going smoothly. Be generous and give her some checkpoints, especially when she's feeling down; e.g. offer to her for some ice cream or to visit, etc.
After some time with a steady relationship, start extending your own calls/requests and respond as normal friends would - make note, "normal friends."

When you're definitely sure that she is one of your better/best friends, or when she becomes down with feeling of "just a friend," initiate a conversation after a normal day of school/class (key: normal) (for the purpose of a date). In the conversation, begin with some small chat. After a very brief period, start being embarrassed and move on to a topic related to what you want to take her out on a date for. After getting her anticipation up, ask to go on a date, but before she responds, blurt out that it's your first time and you're really embarrassed about this whole situation.
Alternatively, if it is more befitting of you, let her initiate this conversation; take her up on it, be embarrassed, but also be genuinely, glad and surprised. A modification you may or may not want to apply is to agree very quickly as soon as she brings up the topic and asks the question.

Congratulations, she just accepted. From this point forwards, you have a relationship with her.

B) If you are normally happy guy, you can follow most of case A, excluding the indifference factor. Instead, just be yourself.
Continue to be yourself, and treat her as you would a good acquaintance (you wave and say "Hey, how's it going?" and maybe try to strike up small chat in a hall).
Eventually, she will initiate a conversation.

From here on, follow case A as a guideline, but instead of indifference as your usual tactic, just be yourself (happy, confident, etc.).
At checkpoints, be a bit embarrassed, but don't lampshade it as often.
Eventually, once she has become one of your better/best friends that you frequently interact with, initiate a conversation as in the first end-option of case A regarding the "first real date" (last section).

Congratulations, mission successful.

2) (using previous case conditions)

A) N/A

B) Sorry, I'm the wrong person to ask for help in this particular area. Maybe Phobos might be able to help?... Or, a cat is fine too, perhaps.

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As for myself, I guess I'll share.

1) Even though I'm a bit of a case A person, I'm also pretty blind to things right under my nose (seriously), so the girl will have no choice but to make any forward motions obvious. Even then, I'd probably read it with a response following the lines of "What a strange girl! I do believe I have never come across any situation such as this before!" and she'll just be a friend until she makes it really obvious that she likes me enough to want to go on a date, and such and such.
(I'd probably decline once the "first real date" question comes, after becoming bestest of friends. Really, really, gracefully, but we'll still be good friends, and then afte

2) I'd try to become friends with the girl outside of class, then become good friends, and then best friends, and then I'd start breaking the ice between "friend" and "boyfriend/girlfriend."
However, I will become friend-zoned after making known that I was interested in this girl, and our relationship will eventually become just plain friends. I will start pondering deep in the middle of nights what I did wrong, and reflect upon my miserable life.

Eventually, I will realize that my mistake.
The mistake that I made was to decline the girl who I was truthfully in love with from the very beginning, whom I declined despite secretly having the same affections for.
Indeed, I will realize I had been lying to myself all along, and that what I truly wished for was to reciprocate the feelings of love that I had received from the cute girl of primary case 1, who loved me for who I was.

Through this passage of friendship, trauma, and then eternal bonding, I will be together with the girl who loved me from the beginning, whom I myself loved deeply.

And so, not even death could tear apart the two from each other...

THE END.

This didn't happen to me, BTW.
Yet.

I just go up and talk to them.

WANNA COMPARE PENIS POST SIZES?

damn, tonight's been funny. lol shit

Yeah, clearly Kame isn't the best person to go to for advice on the girl populace in general(not that she was being completely serious). I don't think we have any typical girls on SeN

Hey, if it works for Scott Pilgrim...

StarBlue seems pretty typical for me.
So did Ciara (trolling all the nerds here). Best proof is that she's gone.

Don't be so sure. Chicks dig Pacman.

Sand Wraith, that's an interesting approach, though there's a point that looks wrong: trying to be her best-friend before asking her out is probably a big mistake.
Once you're a girl's best-friend, no way she'll want to waste such a good friend; from there, you're stuck in the Friend-Zone.

100% wrong.

Then explain me how to get out of the friend-zone because it looks like I am the best of the best of the best best-friends all the goddamn girls I loved have had.

Actually, he's 90% right. You still want to avoid the friend zone though, because it is only beneficial when coupled with another girl. Meaning - it will only help to be friends with her if you start officially seeing another girl. She will become jealous and try to make you cheat on her with you. It's really tricky and not worth all the extra effort, so generally speaking it is a good idea to stay away from the friend zone.

No, he's not. If you end up "permanently friend zoned" with every girl you're best friends with, then you're doing something wrong. It has nothing to do with being their best friend first.

What about with just one?

If they won't date you after you're their best friend, then they wouldn't have dated you beforehand either.

...?
I'm mind-fucked ATM.

In short, 999 out of 1000 times you cannot get out of the friend zone. You want to make friends with her for a week or two then her ask out. If you are friends too long she will think of you as a friend and nothing more and it's (almost) impossible to get out of.

I posted it in the other topic and I will put it in this one as well.

I approve Morphling's video link.

BE CAREFUL. IF SHE LIKE PAC-MAN SHE MIGHT BE A HIPSTER.

Lololol this thread is awesome.

I have no trouble talking to chicks or striking up conversations etc. etc. my biggest problem is 'getting out of the friend zone' as well. I just can never figure out how to cross from friendship to relationship lol.