SeN, Maplantis, or Blizzforums, I think we can all agree that Warboards is full of idiots.

One thing I forgot to mention a little eariler.

As I'm seeing, Maplantis followers on B.net have been increasing, and increasing in hostility as well. If there is no "SEN Vs. Maplantis", then why is this occuring?

As I remember correctly, Maplantis was infact created for an open war on SEN, because of the problem with OSMaP and leadership. Obviously, SEN's leadership has not failed. But however, the problem is.. Is there a war still going on? If I'm not mistaken, Yoshi isn't calling for any war, but then again; He isn't controlling the B.net population either. If this continues, SEN and Maplantis will continue to spread apart, until there is a full blown forum war. Is there anything going on to prevent the hatred?

My various delete buttons.

I've been spending quite a bit of time on Battle.net and I haven't been given any shit from a Maplantis user about SEN.

Things have been calm for months, and suddenly it's "THERE WILL BE MASS BANNINGS OR FORUM WARZ!!" Hello? Did I miss something? Things have been calm, and they will stay that way if people don't try with all their might to get mad about something. If there's been arguments on battle.net, then that would explain why I missed them. (since I rarely log on there) I have seen no such topics at either forum in a long time.

I just came back from an extensive lecture about the history of the Balkan peninsula, and it really sounded a lot like what's going on here. In that part of the world, most of the people look the same, speak the same, have the same religion, and live in the same general geographic region. Yet wars break out all the time. Borders are constantly redrawn. They all harbor prejudice and are extremely offended when outsiders mistake them for the neighbors that they hate. In many cases when traveling from one country or another, you easily get lost because the countries don't have signs that direct you to the major cities in the other countries. And what is it all for? All of you FORUM WARZ soldiers are not thinking up anything new or hip. You're just falling into the same victimized mindset that has plagued regions like the Balkan peninsula for centuries.

God...People, just get over your differences. It doesnt help the community to have forum sites battling each other. Why doesnt everyone just shut up and post about SC?

Yeah, maplantis went down and now people are posting here in the meanwhile. For all Mikes strong points his main fault is that, for numerous reasons, he cannot create a site or find a host with more than 80% uptime.

Hey haven't you heard he is his own host .

Theres an 'or' in my sentence. Use it wisely.

Before I needed a windows VPS to run some of the map conversion things. Look up windows vps prices. They'll go for about 30+ dollars minimum because they actually "license" each user's VPS which adds to the price of it to satisfy their shareholders and screw people over. A linux VPS on the other hand is free for the host therefore way cheaper. I had to look for the very cheapest when looking for a hosting solution for maplantis because unfortunately I'm not made of money and it's stupid to expect for me to pay $40 a month for a decent host. I managed to get the stuff working in linux so now I just have to transfer things over.

Staredit.net had very good uptime under my reign and Latova.com has only been down once ever since it was up, so don't be telling me I'm incapable of running a website with good uptime. It's just maplantis and its because of special circumstances.

If I had any control over the situation it would be up. I unfortunately do not but I'm working on it.

Without Maplantis, SeN's revival wouldn't have occured.
OSMAP vs CSMAP is its own fight, not take it out on SeN vs Maplantis.
Just get along, we're all talking about StarCraft.

Oh, and not merging gives a backup side when one is down.
And the we can "share" members and ideas. (OSMAP excluded)

SEN may have been up more than 80% of the time, but the forums were down a lot more and you couldn't do anything anyway because everything was linked together. I remember visiting SEN, seeing MySQL down a lot, then having to wait anywhere from hours to days for the site to be working again.

As for Latova? Meh who cares, that site isn't active at all, I don't think many people would even notice if it were down for a day or two here and there.

I'm not saying you're incapable of running a website with good uptime, I'm just saying so far you haven't.

CSmap? That doesn't even exist anymore if I recall.

I didn't say perfect uptime for SEN, but it was a lot higher than 80% . It's only maplantis that has these problems, don't act like its "every site I ever ran". Oh jesus christ I'm at SEN, since I'm here that means SEN is now doomed to have 15 hours of downtime

Yoshi they should only feel that way with IP he does that ALOT lol.

No one fucking cares about OSMAP and CSMAP anymore. CSMAP wasn't even a project, it was just a dumb threat made by people in Clan Chef or whoever.

I'm not even sure what this FORUMZ WARZ is anyways. Who's fighting? I don't really see anyone.

For those who are complaining about Mike and his problems getting Maplantis back up, why don't you be patient once in your life. I don't think it's just a walk in the park to be administrating a website, am I right? Everyone who is complaining is taking these sites for granted. You're lucky they even made the websites. I'm sure a lot of you would die if there was no SEN or Maplantis, which frankly, is really sad.

It was never created.

I think you shouldn't have posted this, Tau. Centreri isn't speaking for the whole community, and I personally don't see much drama about that topic in here.

I still care about OSMap >:-0

I'm not really complaining, and with my pitiful attempts to get my own website up I've seen a tiny glimpse of what it's like to administrate a website .

Yeah, and someone brund it back up.

Oh, and i said CSMap because there's no name for the opposing forces.

The biggest problem with the 'OSMAP issue' are the idiots who do not realize that there is a middle ground.

I was overjoyed the day Maplantis stopped openly endorsing the spreading of OSMAP and changed its policy to free open mapping.

Darkling, you clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Who says? I don't see any reason for you to call Maplanteans arrogant, unless you've mixed up the meaning of the word.

More misinformation. Show me one post where someone flamed an SEN supporter for saying something good about SEN.

SEN isn't the root of all good in the mapping community, it's only a fairly important stage. I don't see what acknowledging it has to do with anything.

My arguments are above.

I don't see what this has to do with anything.

War? You don't know what war is. A few people babbling over the superiority of two minor websites is certainly not considered "war".

I haven't seen anyone hating someone for going to SEN, although almost a year ago SEN went so far as to censor Maplantis and OSMap. This is certainly far closer to "hatred" then anything you're talking about.

Why fix what isn't broken? There is no problem, it's merely a preference of website based on features, userbase, and other factors.

Mass banning? Forum war? There's been absolutely nothing to suggest that either of these will happen. I know Tau/Yoshi/Mike wouldn't randomly ban people for using another site, and I don't know Moose very well, but from what I know, he wouldn't do this either.

Of course it's just drama. You're overexagerating the scale of this.

What does this have to do with anything?

Their roots? SEN and Maplantis are websites. There is absolutely no binding connection that keeps people attached to SEN. It's like saying your first job was a janitor, and therefore you're attached to that job, and should continue it forever, even if you see better opportunities.

We used it for a while. So what?

I don't see the connection.

Features is one of the prime reasons people use a mapping website. If it's just going to be a forum, then why not just use Invisionfree?

Again, I don't see "harrassing every positive note". You've mentioned this before, and I strongly disagree.

...but you don't get very many of the points.

Way to insult me. It makes you look really smart.

Loyalty? Since when do we have any sort of allegiance? SEN and Maplantis are websites! People use websites for resources. If we were looking for allegiances, then we'd join a clan.

No contribution to the argument.

What happens if another site comes out? Another giant of the mapping community?Then people will migrate to whichever provides them with the best and most resources.

How many of your members are going to stray off and flame Maplantis?I would say pretty few. This is irrelevant.

The fact is, and I'm sure plenty of you are tired of hearing or knowing this, is that some people these days just like to pick a fight.Like you?

Ex-SENners are targeting SEN, but what happens if they go back and target maplantis?You've got your facts wrong. Maplantis was the one attacked by SEN zealots who were willing to go all the way to using DDoS attacks.

I think the member bases of BOTH sites should be questioned of their loyalty. Some people however have been indeed shown of their loyalty though.Refer to above.

So, my final though is: Why attack SEN, just because its at a decline?People aren't attacking SEN. It's something that you're either making up or exhagerating out of proportion.

SEN is and shall forever be a home, as long as its up.A home? Refer to above, points about SEN being a website.

It was AND STILL IS a refuge for mappers and modders, and the people who wish to learn.See above. I think Maplantis is a better place to learn because the wiki is far more open to contribution than a tutorials database. I won't comment on quality and speed of personal help.

It is STILL the reason Maplantis is even there.Umm, no it isn't. Proof? When SEN died, Maplantis remained.

If Yoshi didn't make SEN, I highly doubt he would have gone in turn to make Maplantis, wouldn't you agree?It's not for you or me to decide what he, hypothetically, would do in that situation. Maplantis was made to do everything right that he did wrong with SEN.

Give these words some though, before you hate anymore. Its getting old.See above.

Sorry that I didn't acknolodge that. Yeah, Moose you've been stepping it up lately, and I might say, Kudos to that. Maybe it'll bring some people back to their senses."Some people back to their senses"? So, people are crazy because they don't agree with you? I could say exactly the same thing about you for doggedly following tradition and sticking with SEN, despite Maplantis' better features and userbase.

As I'm seeing, Maplantis followers on B.net have been increasing, and increasing in hostility as well. If there is no "SEN Vs. Maplantis", then why is this occuring?There are more Maplantis users on B.net because Maplantis is growing. People who use Maplantis tend to stay there, because of the ever-imporving quality of the site.

As I remember correctlyThis is a pretty arrogant statement, because, you never make mistakes in memory. [/sarcasm]

Maplantis was infact created for an open war on SENIn fact, eh? You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Maplantis was meant to be a better mapping site, and a place based around sharing concepts and ideas, not to oppose SEN.

because of the problem with OSMaP and leadership.Yes, there was a problem with OSMap. People weren't able to accept the changing community and follow the open source revolution, rather, people tried to halt it with such tactics as censorship. I'm not sure of the leadership problem you speak of.

Obviously, SEN's leadership has not failed.IP disappeared again, and you're saying the leadership hasn't failed? I mean Moose is still doing a great job, but that's a 50% success rate.

Is there a war still going on?See above points on war.

If I'm not mistaken, Yoshi isn't calling for any war, but then again; He isn't controlling the B.net population either.WTF are you talking about?

If this continues, SEN and Maplantis will continue to spread apartThey're actually pretty close. And they're not spreading apart.

until there is a full blown forum war. Is there anything going on to prevent the hatred?sigh, there is not, never has been, and never will be a forum war between these two sites. What you're seeing is people who use one because they prefer it to the other.


Darkling, you refered to Maplanteans being arrogant, yet all your posts are filled with arrogance, stating that you're correct, that people who don't agree with you are crazy, that people should toss aside their personal preference because you disagree with it.