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Mar 7 2008, 11:45 pm Minority Post #121



Quote from Falkoner
A reason why we shouldn't be homosexual, we are not animals.
'Animals' are heterosexual, too! Does that mean we should just lay off sex altogether?

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we are not animals.
No, of course not >.>

I said I'd back out a couple of pages ago, but come on!



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Mar 8 2008, 12:09 am Falkoner Post #122



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'Animals' are heterosexual, too! Does that mean we should just lay off sex altogether?

We have to reproduce to survive, it is one of the main goals of our lives, being a homosexual does not fulfill that goal.



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Mar 8 2008, 1:09 am Symmetry Post #123

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'Animals' are heterosexual, too! Does that mean we should just lay off sex altogether?

We have to reproduce to survive, it is one of the main goals of our lives, being a homosexual does not fulfill that goal.

The human race as a whole (at the moment) does not require the majority of people currently living to reproduce. Homosexuality is battling overpopulation, and therefore a positive thing for our human race.



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Mar 8 2008, 1:15 am Syphon Post #124



Quote from Falkoner
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'Animals' are heterosexual, too! Does that mean we should just lay off sex altogether?

We have to reproduce to survive, it is one of the main goals of our lives, being a homosexual does not fulfill that goal.

What kow said. You'll notice that humanity has a higher proportion of homosexuals than other animals. (Yes we're animals. Stop fucking fighting it, you aren't a beautiful and unique snowflake.)

This is because the survival of our species isn't driven by procreation. We have enough living individuals that there's no reason to purge homosexuals or asexuals from the population. Or discourage it enormously.

Furthermore, if you want to talk about survival, religion evolved as a bonding tool between increasingly intelligent homo sapiens who couldn't function as a group without some kind of unifying belief. Religion helped groups of nomadic humans form more tightly knit family groups, when things like that WERE important to our survival.

You further demonstrate that traits that negatively effect the population (i.e., massive stupidity) aren't purged from the genepool forcibly, and aren't hurting our species' survival. ;)



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Mar 8 2008, 1:23 am Symmetry Post #125

Dungeon Master

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You further demonstrate that traits that negatively effect the population (i.e., massive stupidity) aren't purged from the genepool forcibly, and aren't hurting our species' survival. ;)

Expanding on what Syphon (rudely) stated, if we're to get rid of homosexuals because they don't contribute to the necessities of the survival of the species, why should we stop there? Seems to me the human race got by with any of the fancy things we've got today, so I guess they're not necessary for survival. So when we purge gays (by your logic) we should also purge the obese, the old, the mentally challenged and remove any trace of modern science and technology you've ever seen.

Modern life is not based on survival. Modern life (in our parts of the world, mind you, there are places where this does not apply) is based on achieving happiness, as survival is attainable with so much less effort.



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Mar 8 2008, 1:25 am Syphon Post #126



See Maslow's pyramid for further details!





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Mar 8 2008, 1:33 am Symmetry Post #127

Dungeon Master

Quote from Falkoner
I can quote several places in the Bible where it specifically speaks against homosexuality, here's just a few of them:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

Isaiah 3:9 - "The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! For they have rewarded evil unto themselves" (Referring to Sodom from Gen. 19: 5)

Romans 1:26-27 - "26: For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burning in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

1 Timothy 1:10 - "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine."

There are many more references, including:
1 Corinthians 6:9, Jude 1:7, Isaiah 3:9, Ezekiel 16:50, 2 Timothy 3:3, and 2 Peter 2:1

The Bible says that homosexuality is a sin on many occasions, and makes it clear that it is a sin.

Missed this earlier, sorry:

Every time you quote the Bible, you lose credibility in my eyes. Why? The Bible preaches so much shit that you could fill a barn. For example, Genesis states that man should tame and dominate the earth. This Christian standpoint of dominating the land has caused wars, and is leading us into global crisis (overfishing, global warming and the such). So quoting the Bible isn't really helping your argument.



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Mar 8 2008, 1:50 am Vi3t-X Post #128



Well Done.



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Mar 8 2008, 4:16 am O)FaRTy1billion[MM] Post #129

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I'm an atheist. Although if I were presented with strong evidence that made sense to me, I would be willing to convert. Though it would be a bit more difficult because of my other beliefs (or non-beliefs.) >.>



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Mar 8 2008, 6:13 am Falkoner Post #130



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Homosexuality is battling overpopulation, and therefore a positive thing for our human race.

This is really what is all bottles down to. I don't see why people seem to think we are truly overpopulated, there is still plenty of space, and resources can be created more abundantly if we feel a need to.

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Every time you quote the Bible, you lose credibility in my eyes. Why? The Bible preaches so much shit that you could fill a barn. For example, Genesis states that man should tame and dominate the earth. This Christian standpoint of dominating the land has caused wars, and is leading us into global crisis (overfishing, global warming and the such). So quoting the Bible isn't really helping your argument.

I was giving quotes to MA, because he said that he wasn't sure whether it ever directly spoke against homosexualism.



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Mar 8 2008, 7:03 am WoAHorde Post #131



Quote from Falkoner

This is really what is all bottles down to. I don't see why people seem to think we are truly overpopulated, there is still plenty of space, and resources can be created more abundantly if we feel a need to.

We hit peak oil in 2005, we are losing forests and water supply faster than it it being replenished. All favourable space has been taken and overpopulated; look at China and India, they have massive densities of human beings. We can not create more oil efficiently, replace water that is not on the planet, or make Earth bigger.

Educate yourself before you post.



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Mar 8 2008, 8:24 am Moose Post #132

We live in a society.

Quote from Falkoner
We have to reproduce to survive, it is one of the main goals of our lives, being a homosexual does not fulfill that goal.
We can safely assume the majority of humans will reproduce and our species is going to survive without 15% of us reproducing. Homosexuality isn't going to put humans on the endangered species list anytime soon. We've gotten this far already with homosexuality around, it's not like it suddenly popped up recently and is now threatening to make us extinct. It may not have been as publicized because it was a taboo, but it was there and apparently not affecting the overall population's increasing growth rate.

Futhermore, who are you to tell everyone what their goals are?




Mar 8 2008, 1:38 pm JordanN Post #133



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Every time you quote the Bible, you lose credibility in my eyes. Why? The Bible preaches so much shit that you could fill a barn. For example, Genesis states that man should tame and dominate the earth. This Christian standpoint of dominating the land has caused wars, and is leading us into global crisis (overfishing, global warming and the such). So quoting the Bible isn't really helping your argument.

Woa, hater much? I also love how you skip out the good parts of the bible. Reminds me of an old Abraham Lincoln quote:
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"I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given man. ... But for it we could not know right from wrong" --Abraham Lincoln




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Mar 8 2008, 4:01 pm Symmetry Post #134

Dungeon Master

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the good parts of the bible

Parts of the Bible teach values. I respect and admire this. However, it's too full of contradictions, fallacies and offensive material that the book as a whole cannot be taken literally (or even seriously, in my mind).



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Mar 8 2008, 4:44 pm JordanN Post #135



Quote from Killer_Kow

However, it's too full of contradictions, fallacies and offensive material that the book as a whole cannot be taken literally (or even seriously, in my mind).

Cite such contradictions, fallacies and offensive material plz.



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Mar 8 2008, 4:47 pm Symmetry Post #136

Dungeon Master

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
http://www.greenwych.ca/bible-a.htm
http://www.staredit.net/37570/ (for offensive material)

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Mar 8 2008, 7:21 pm by Killer_Kow.



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Mar 8 2008, 7:00 pm Falkoner Post #137



KK, all those websites you just posted are taking quotes out of context. That or they are interpreting the Bible completely wrong.



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Mar 8 2008, 7:02 pm Moose Post #138

We live in a society.

Genesis 1: God creates light and day before he creates the sun. Phail. ;(




Mar 8 2008, 7:04 pm Falkoner Post #139



That's one of biggest problems people have, they take the Bible for it's factual content, and don't try to take the stories and apply them to their lives. So the story doesn't make sense? So? It still teaches great morals and truth.



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Mar 8 2008, 7:06 pm Moose Post #140

We live in a society.

Quote from Killer_Kow
Parts of the Bible teach values. I respect and admire this. However, it's too full of contradictions, fallacies and offensive material that the book as a whole cannot be taken literally (or even seriously, in my mind).





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