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Jul 17 2010, 12:11 pm OlimarandLouie Post #541



Quote from Apos
Question: Does each mafia get to shoot one different person every night or do they choose as a group?
They each get to shoot one person they don't like.



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Jul 17 2010, 1:12 pm NudeRaider Post #542

We can't explain the universe, just describe it; and we don't know whether our theories are true, we just know they're not wrong. >Harald Lesch

Quote from Apos
Question: Does each mafia get to shoot one different person every night or do they choose as a group?
Good mafia confer as a group and decide who hits whom.




Jul 17 2010, 4:28 pm Leeroy_Jenkins Post #543



Quote from Apos
Question: Does each mafia get to shoot one different person every night or do they choose as a group?

Oh right I get it. This means you wouldn't know 'cause you're not mafia. :rolleyes: <---yes, that is the roll eyes emote



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Jul 17 2010, 5:20 pm Positively Post #544



Quote from DavidJCobb
We have Positively, who was stabbed outside his lower-class apartment while en route to a party where the presence of one or more "bitch" was expected.


Not much details on Positively. His death probably lacked any kind of meaning and was ultimately insignificant. Oh, well.

HEY! T.T



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Jul 17 2010, 5:47 pm Wing Zero Post #545

Magic box god; Suck it Corbo

Quote from Leeroy_Jenkins
I'm convinced. What else are we going off of? FARTY = FARTS = SHIT <-LOL

I don't think that was the reason...




Jul 17 2010, 5:49 pm lil-Inferno Post #546

Just here for the pie

I'm voting/vote Apos.




Jul 17 2010, 5:57 pm OlimarandLouie Post #547



Exactly how did Farty come to be known as the piece of shit?



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Jul 17 2010, 6:31 pm Azrael Post #548



Quote from Wing Zero
Quote from Leeroy_Jenkins
I'm convinced. What else are we going off of? FARTY = FARTS = SHIT <-LOL

I don't think that was the reason...
No, that wasn't the reason. He's overlooking all the evidence against Farty (based on something Farty said), to attempt to save Farty. Based on what? A "clue" Farty himself came up with, which isn't even consistent. 66% accuracy, wow, let's all change our votes quick. It's already been explained that both Apos and Farty could be mafia, where Apos has a bad role role and Farty has a good one, so they've decided to throw Apos under the bus in an attempt to save Farty from what was an inevitable lynching.

Mafia looking for ways to purposely misinterpret clues in order to change votes like this is Mafia 101. If you think Apos is so guilty, then try to lynch him on the next day. What reason would you have to try to overturn the current vote to lynch him now? The only difference is that you're saving Farty, and if you're a townie, you have no reason to do that.

I saw this coming a mile away anyways.
Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
Yeah, better to take them out one at a time. Strength in numbers, don't want to get outvoted by mafia near the end of the day.
Among other references.

Here's more proof that Farty is mafia, along with all the other evidence against him already:

FACT: He said "obvious mafia is obvious" earlier, referring to me being mafia. He is sure that I'm mafia, supposedly.
FACT: When the above tactic didn't work, he PMed me saying he has a power role and will prove it if he survives.

I responded, if you say that publicly, I will change my vote and attempt to have people give you a chance to prove it. His response to this was, "I can't do that because if the Mafia know I have a power role then I'm dead." Uh, he just got done publicly saying that I'm Mafia, then he privately tells me something that would result in his immediate death if I really was Mafia?

The real reason is because he doesn't have a townie-aligned power role, and he knows I'm not in the mafia because he is.

Even more evidence against Farty (since people are willing to ignore common sense for clue interpretations :rolleyes:):

  • Wing_Zero was killed by a predator with cloaking (i/e a DT) and as we all know 2 DT's make a Dark Archon (i/e Farty).
  • In addition, it was specifically described that the enemy bled green blood, and everyone knows Farty always uses a green Dark Archon.

Is that enough clue interpretations for you, or do I need to add that Wing_Zero "knew he was in deep shit" right before he died?

Quote from OlimarandLouie
Exactly how did Farty come to be known as the piece of shit?
Because shit is the closest thing related to farts? What is the clue going to be, "The man in the crowd was having bad gas"? Lol.

Anyways, that was the least important clue incriminating Farty. People are only focusing on that specifically because Farty himself made a post reinterpreting that clue, and people are like "alright, I'll ignore everything else and go along with a suspected mafia because of this."

There should be enough clue interpretations in this post to satisfy those people, though.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Jul 17 2010, 6:57 pm by Azrael.Wrath.




Jul 17 2010, 6:34 pm poison_us Post #549

Back* from the grave

Quote from OlimarandLouie
Exactly how did Farty come to be known as the piece of shit?
:lol:
Probably because people call it like they see it ^^





Jul 17 2010, 6:35 pm payne Post #550

:payne:

I guess I'll vote for Farty. ;o



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Jul 17 2010, 6:43 pm Tempz Post #551



They think apos is the piece of shit becuase FARTY found the little interpretation as apos being guilty... but there's more evidence against farty then apos so we should vote on farty first then try to find more links against apos... I just got a hunch



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Jul 17 2010, 7:06 pm Apos Post #552

I order you to forgive yourself!

I wish the confuser role really existed...

But really, here is what I think in case it helps:

Quote from Demented Shaman
On this night, Positively is ready for a night of partying and picking up some fine bitches. He steps outside of his shitty apartment without noticing the shadowy, tall figure lurking behind him. Positively walks to his car and when he is about to open the door, he notices the reflection of the person behind him in the window of his car. He instantly recognizes who it is, but before he can scream for help, he feels the cold steel plunging into his back. Positively falls to the ground in a pool of his own blood as he watches the silent killer walking away.
This is a mafia kill.

Quote from Demented Shaman
In the present, a young man is outside at night doing some work on his own. He isn''t a trained detective, but he decides to take things into his own hands and see if he can figure out who is behind the recent murders. He tracks one of his leads to an old warehouse. As he investigates what is inside, he finds what looks like some sort of makeshift operating room. There are bloody scalpels lying around and x-rays of what appear to be two different faces. It reminds him of something he'd seen in a movie years ago. But before he can think about it any more, he hears footsteps behind him. Scared for his life, the young man runs away as fast as he can. As he is running he trips over some kind of chemical barrel and lands face first into a piece of shit. He looks up to see the figure that was chasing him. A gun is pointed right at the young man's head. The young man's last thought is that he should have stayed home tonight. A loud blast is heard as LoTu)S' brains are blown out of the back of his head.
This is a vigilance kill.

Quote from Demented Shaman
Meanwhile, another investigation is taking place. A man is on someone's trail, and he can feel that he is about to stumble onto something big and crack this murder case wide open. All night he had been tracking clues and various leads around town. Finally, he has the piece of shit cornered and is about to expose his real identity. He finds him in a dark alley and can see him for what he really is. Now he can rest easy tonight, knowing his job is done. But as he is walking home, he hears a loud engine revving up behind him. It is a big looking monster riding a motorcycle armed with a bat in one hand. Knowing that the monster on the motorcycle is up to no good, the man runs for his life. But he can't outrun a monster on a motorcycle. The monster catches up to the man and swings his bat at the man. The monster circles around and around at least a dozen times as he beats the man with his bat. Left in a massive pool of blood the victim of the gruesome beating is darksnow.
This is a mafia kill.

For those that can understand what I mean by that, it proves my innocence.




Jul 17 2010, 7:09 pm Tempz Post #553



That meant that mad zombie was a mafia 0_o? since Positively killed mad zombie



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Jul 17 2010, 9:40 pm O)FaRTy1billion[MM] Post #554

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Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
Quote from Wing Zero
Quote from Leeroy_Jenkins
I'm convinced. What else are we going off of? FARTY = FARTS = SHIT <-LOL

I don't think that was the reason...
No, that wasn't the reason. He's overlooking all the evidence against Farty (based on something Farty said), to attempt to save Farty. Based on what? A "clue" Farty himself came up with, which isn't even consistent. 66% accuracy, wow, let's all change our votes quick. It's already been explained that both Apos and Farty could be mafia, where Apos has a bad role role and Farty has a good one, so they've decided to throw Apos under the bus in an attempt to save Farty from what was an inevitable lynching.
I was attempting to invalidate that clue since it's very arbitrary ... Really, that's all I saw by you that seemed to be a "clue" towards me. Everything else was "HERE IS ARBITRARY GROUP OF PPL. KTHX."

Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
Mafia looking for ways to purposely misinterpret clues in order to change votes like this is Mafia 101. If you think Apos is so guilty, then try to lynch him on the next day. What reason would you have to try to overturn the current vote to lynch him now? The only difference is that you're saving Farty, and if you're a townie, you have no reason to do that.
Because your interpretations of clues (that's the only "interpretation" of any clues in the posts that I've even seen you try to use ...) are always correct! Any other attempt at a different interpretations means obvious mafia!

Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
FACT: He said "obvious mafia is obvious" earlier, referring to me being mafia. He is sure that I'm mafia, supposedly.
Because I was basically saying you were feeding arbitrary bullshit and claiming mafia. Were it a sincere attempt I'd probably, you know, actually try and argue something instead of just making a lulzy claim.
Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
FACT: When the above tactic didn't work, he PMed me saying he has a power role and will prove it if he survives.

I responded, if you say that publicly, I will change my vote and attempt to have people give you a chance to prove it. His response to this was, "I can't do that because if the Mafia know I have a power role then I'm dead." Uh, he just got done publicly saying that I'm Mafia, then he privately tells me something that would result in his immediate death if I really was Mafia?
What the hell? Thanks for twisting what I was saying. I told you that if I posted my role, I'd basically be saying OH HELLO MAFIA. I'M A SUPERAMAZING. KTHX. NOW YOU CAN SHOVE YOUR SHOTGUN BARREL RIGHT UP MY ASS AND FIRE.
I was trying to tell you that mafia can read townie posts too. :omfg: Publicly saying anything would be suicide by mafia, not saying anything is apparently suicide by town.

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  • Wing_Zero was killed by a predator with cloaking (i/e a DT) and as we all know 2 DT's make a Dark Archon (i/e Farty).
Because dark archons can magically un-merge and turn into DTs at will. Yeah.
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  • In addition, it was specifically described that the enemy bled green blood, and everyone knows Farty always uses a green Dark Archon.
  • Which bleed all the time.



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    Jul 17 2010, 9:50 pm Apos Post #555

    I order you to forgive yourself!

    Quote from Leeroy_Jenkins
    Quote from Apos
    Question: Does each mafia get to shoot one different person every night or do they choose as a group?

    Oh right I get it. This means you wouldn't know 'cause you're not mafia. :rolleyes: <---yes, that is the roll eyes emote
    Even if I was mafia, I would eventually ask that question. :rolleyes: <---yes, that is the roll eyes emote




    Jul 17 2010, 10:27 pm Azrael Post #556



    Quote from O)FaRTy1billion[MM]
    -snip-
    You should have been this involved before it became clear you were mafia, although all you've really said here is

    "Cloaking can't relate to DTs! And bleeding green can't be a hint about me being a green DA because DAs don't bleed!"

    I mean really, you went from only posting a single word reply when it was time to vote, to typing up page-long posts in your defense, attempting to undermine clues, and calling any behavioral analysis to point out common mafia indicators "arbitrary". You clearly don't have the best interests of the townies at heart, regardless of your role.

    You've made it too obvious at this point anyways, the clue interpretation is valid and others came to the same conclusion before I posted.




    Jul 17 2010, 10:46 pm Positively Post #557



    Quote from Tempz
    That meant that mad zombie was a mafia 0_o? since Positively killed mad zombie

    I didn't kill anyone. O.o I died T.T



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    Jul 17 2010, 11:09 pm Demented Shaman Post #558



    VOTER :: LYNCH CANDIDATE
    Azrael.Wrath :: O)FaRTy1billion
    Dark_Marine :: O)FaRTy1billion
    BiOAtK :: O)FaRTy1billion
    OlimarandLouie :: O)FaRTy1billion
    EzTerix :: O)FaRTy1billion
    Doodan :: O)FaRTy1billion
    Tempz :: O)FaRTy1billion
    payne :: O)FaRTy1billion (8)
    Leeroy_Jenkins :: apos
    DavidJCobb :: apos
    rayNimagi :: apos
    lil-Inferno :: apos (4)
    Vi3t-X :: Dark_Marine (1)
    l)ark_ssj9kevin :: Changeling (1)

    Abstain: Raccoon (1)
    15/23 votes accounted for.



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    Jul 17 2010, 11:17 pm O)FaRTy1billion[MM] Post #559

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    Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
    I mean really, you went from only posting a single word reply when it was time to vote, to typing up page-long posts in your defense, ...
    It's how I roll. :awesome:

    Also you make it sound like I just jumped from "ohi" to 5 paragraph essays.
    Look at my posts (compare to typical your post that I'm trying to counter (which would cause a direct correlation to how long my post would be depending on how much I am responding to in your post)). They increase in length as I'm trying more and more to call bullshit and defend myself.

    *Edit: Look at my later posts. They are also very short. Very few of my posts are long at all.*

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    ... attempting to undermine clues, ...
    Re-interpretation. You know, the whole point of the game? To interpret clues to try and see who they are referencing? Not to mention that I have to defend myself somehow. What else am I supposed to do? "Oh, they're trying to kill me. Oh-ho ho! Let's just sit back and see how that rolls out! Jolly good fun!".

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    ... and calling any behavioral analysis to point out common mafia indicators "arbitrary".
    They are arbitrary. Just because someone isn't actively playing doesn't make them mafia. Usually the mafia try to blend in as townies. "HIS SHOELACE IS UNTIED. HE MUST BE MAFIA!" "THAT MAN HAS MUSTARD ON HIS SHIRT. HE MUST BE MAFIA!" "WOW, THIS TALL BUILDING SURE IS TALL. OSHIT. THAT MAN MUST BE MAFIA."

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    You clearly don't have the best interests of the townies at heart, regardless of your role.
    What leads you to say that? If I'm the role I claim to be, then it is the townies best interest not to kill me; thus I am attempting to defend myself (including, as a last resort, trying to tell you my role). Which leads me to: how can I even attempt to work in the towns best interest if they're trying to kill me on day-fucking-two?
    Also how is it the towns best interest for you to arbitrarily categorize a group of people and attempt to pluck them off one-by-one, stating that townies are expendable?

    Good job.

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    Jul 17 2010, 11:44 pm Apos Post #560

    I order you to forgive yourself!

    Quote from O)FaRTy1billion[MM]
    Quote from name:Azrael.Wrath
    I mean really, you went from only posting a single word reply when it was time to vote, to typing up page-long posts in your defense, ...

    They increase in length as I'm trying more and more to call bullshit and defend myself. What else am I supposed to do? "Oh, they're trying to kill me. Oh-ho ho! Let's just sit back and see how that rolls out! So, do you see how that works?

    How can I even attempt to work in the towns best interest if they're trying to kill me on day two?

    I have to agree with Farty on that, I have seen this kind of scenario happen way too often on epicmafia. Usually, someone that don't have much to say won't say as much as others. Usually the people that don't have much to say are to one that got some less important roles. The difference here is that we get a night report from devilesk so we can find clues. If you just can't find clues, you just wait for other people to find them for you. I'm going to guess that Farty wouldn't bother finding clues since other people were already doing that. Now that he is about to die, he has to somehow defend himself (Who wouldn't?)

    I say that since Farty is up for lynching, he should probably try claim his role or do something to convince us that he shouldn't be lynched. According to my experience, when your being lynched, looking for clues to make you clean doesn't work as well since most people don't feel like changing their votes. Give a reason to make us change our vote.

    I vote Farty. Never mind, I still need to think.

    PS: Not sure if what I just said came out the same way I had in my head, but I guess it's fine like that.




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