Humans suck.

Those who can comprehend this concept or discovered it on their own are truly ones of
great understanding and should not considered themselves psychologically human but something better.

They made the illusion that money is the most important thing in the world because they put a money value
on life's essentials, food, water, shelter, and maybe clothing

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That's a crude assumption/generalization

Who made you so special?

Yes, this race is a failure. We're either too intelligent or too stupid...

I'm actually a changeling inspecting what on Earth is going on, so I'm part of the Swarm.

It's funny how many people think this, and most of the ones that I know who think it are druggies. I think the real thing you're looking to blame though is society, because that's what put the money value on everything. You see, when you get many people of many different beliefs together you can't exactly just have them run around without something controlling them, in this case money. It could be something else, but money was just what happened to come around, I guess to create a more efficient/effective system than bartering, and if the world were to use bartering instead of currency, it would be very inefficient.

Also, since when was clothing an essential? The only thing I need to live is food, water, and shelter, besides that nothing else is required.

It seems a bit odd to bring this up, but I've noticed the only reason most people live is for other people. The only things we put money on were things that we don't really need, because, really, what would we be without other people? What's the point of living if you can't share your thoughts with someone, can't feel someone, can't love someone? I could have the whole world over in food, water, and shelter, but if I didn't have someone, I wouldn't bother living.

As a side note, your entire post is pretty arrogant assuming that the people who hate people are the only smart ones, because if that's the case, almost every white middle class teenage girl is incredibly intelligent and psychologically better than most people I know.

Money is essential, but like any system, people find ways to abuse it. It is vastly superior to the bartering system. Say you want to trade 5 chickens for a hog, but the only dude around willing to trade has a goat. You don't want a goat. By having everyone in the area agree on a form of currency, you can get your hog by exchanging it for a token that everyone agrees is worth that much. Money is also representative of a service that was performed, in case you you do work for someone who can't give you something that you want in exchange.

And to all those innocent species that we wipe out on a daily basis: The earth has survived much worse than the reign of humans. It's survived meteors, ice ages, massive influxes of volcanic activity, etc. One day, we may make the planet uninhabitable for ourselves, but there are many plants, animals, and microscopic organisms that can survive harsher conditions than we can. Maybe humans are here to thin out the muck. Maybe the creatures that can't survive during the human occupation weren't meant to. Self interest is just part of life, and at no other time on this planet's history has there been a species that was as good at perusing its own self interest as the present.

There are some people that believe humans should kill themselves in order to save the planet. If you're truly that outraged, perhaps you should look into it. In the mean time, I plan to consume as much as I can in my life time.

Be our race what it may, we are all, truly and inescapably, human.

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Also, since when was clothing an essential?

I tend to think of it as pretty essential when it is really cold and I want to go outside. We sort of lost our fur a long time ago.

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There are some people that believe humans should kill themselves in order to save the planet.

This one is a little stupid. Nothing humans can do will extinguish all life on Earth; the only peril we might face is our own extinction.

Money is only essential given a certain society... There are many peoples who do not have a form of currency, and thier societies have lasted.

No you can't be happy all the time.

And I assume you've done something to change this? Either way, you have fallen into the fact that you have to pay for those essentials. If you don't, you won't live.

This arguement is flawed. It fails to define humananity, what that something better is and gives no supporting evidence. It is very vague when it states that "They made the illusion...". Who are they then?

Humans are the most perfect biological being that I've ever encountered. We can survive in almost any type of climate, we can communicate with one another to give each other ideas, we can solve a problem by using rational thinking and compare possible outcomes. No other biological being can do all of these as well as us. (Bacteria, Protists and viruses don't count, they can survive pretty much anywhere )

The problem is that we are a very young species. Homo Sapiens started hanging around what; 250,000 years ago according to Wikipedia, which is pretty damn recent. We were the same way, nomads hunting for food, until about 10,000 BC. We were very small societies back then. Then we started creating more and more and by 3000 BC we finally had large functional societies. The Greeks started building upon this and later the Romans. Eventually we've been closer and closer to a global society that is the same all around.

So what, we can say we've had about 12,000 years of actual progress of the evolution of society. I think we've done a pretty damn good job considering that we can communicate with people around the world instantly, we can physically travel to any spot on the planet in a day. Most of us live quite healthy and comfortable lives. Sure, some live better than others and wouldn't it be great to live in a perfect communist state? I know I'd like it but there is one big problem that our comrades in the Soviet Union couldn't solve. That is how do we go from a capitalist state to a socialist state and then to perfect communism? Yeah, pretty much almost nobody has a clue on how to reach that last step.

I'll bet that everyone that says humanity is failure bases the assumption that there are others that live in poverty. Recently I spent a week on vacation in Palm Beach, FL, one of the richest places to live. I didn't want to leave because the quality of living there is insanely high. I learned a lot too. Some people may live lavish lives, and others in what we consider poverty. Where I live, in Puerto Rico, we have public residential all over the place. I see them all the time and know several people who live in such places. Drugs, theft, rape and murder are all over the place. Yet we can see most people live happy lives. All because it is human nature to help themselves as a whole. Everything we do is for the good of the individual and of society.

Right now, it is impossible for everyone to live the lavish lives of the wealthy. Somebody has to work their ass to become an engineer. Somebody has to pick the garbage. Somebody has to study for a decade in order to open your heart and save your life. Somebody has to feed them cows you will drink milk from and later eat as a steak. Will you do this? Will everybody do this? I'd like to see someone who doesn't like humanity try and improve it as a whole. Nope, usually it's the ones who do like it who try to improve it.

Humanity is awesome. If it wasn't for our ways we'd still be hunting with sticks & stones hoping to get a kill and eat it.

Oh sure, discount the three most successful kingdoms of life on Earth

Bacteria are much better than humans at surviving adverse conditions.

They cheat!

But they're so dumb... almost as dumb as the average bnet user D:

All of that stuff is of natural occurance. Global Warming is probably just a speed up of an ice age, but... well... I don't think you want any future generations frozen alive.

Well yeah collectively, sure. You can find animals pretty much anywhere as well just not any specific animal everywhere.

In that whole post, it does not tell that I am any different.

You say that those who come to that realization are "truly ones of great understanding" and "should not considered themselves psychologically human but something better" This realization being one that you state at the beginning, and have realized yourself apparently.

And so, according to you, you are apart of those that "should not considered themselves psychologically human but something better"

I consider you as pathetic, but what would I know? I'm not one who "should not consider himself psychologically human but something better"