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Dec 24 2015, 12:29 am
By: Excalibur  

Dec 24 2015, 12:29 am Excalibur Post #1

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Sup SEN,
Laying out parts for my 2016 build to take place shortly after new years thanks to my 1k$ Xmas bonus. Wanted to get some SEN feedback on my current list and see if anyone has heard anything I haven't as work has been keeping me pretty busy.

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Extremely overpowered gaming rig that provides an improvement on anything I currently have while looking 100% on point. Cosmetics are as important as performance here. Black/grey/silver color scheme which any and all possible parts must adhere to to the best of their abilities regardless of economics. Top tier manufacturers for absolutely everything, 'the market' and by extension people / non-official reviewers are dumb and does not dictate a trustworthy product.

Notes: GPU I am carrying over my 780Ti till AMD/NV release their next lineups next year. Second RAM kit will probably follow to hit 32GB.

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Dec 24 2015, 3:17 am Roy Post #2

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Wanted to get some SEN feedback on my current list and see if anyone has heard anything I haven't as work has been keeping me pretty busy.
Without knowing what the exact purpose of this build is, I can only assume this is a joke. Where you're conserving money vs where you're spending it liberally doesn't make sense to me. The only explanation I can think is that this is a showcase build, rather than building the most powerful or future-proof system with the funds available.

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Notes: GPU I am carrying over my 780Ti till AMD/NV release their next lineups next year. Second RAM kit will probably follow to hit 32GB.
Waiting on the GPU is a smart decision if Pascal is all it's supposed to be. 32GB is a lot of RAM, but again, without knowing what this PC will be used for, I can't say much on it.

First, the things I like about the build:

  • That massive HSF is probably the best air performer at that price bracket. Of course, you also have liquid cooling options here, like the H100i GTX.
  • That's a shit ton of fans; I presume eight for the case and two to replace the HSF fans? Do you have a fan controller for all these fans?
  • The monitor is nice, though you won't see its full potential with FreeSync with your current graphics card, and you'd need to go AMD in the future to do so.
  • That thermal paste looks hardcore. Is it just for your CPU, or are you going to use it for your GPU(s) as well?

And now for the things that concern me:

  • You're dropping less than $400 for the CPU on a $3300 build?
  • Are you actually going to use the quad x16 PCIe on that motherboard? Or is there another reason you're spending twice as much as you need to?
  • You could double your RAM right now and spend less. If it's not for benchmarking, why spend such a huge premium on higher clock speeds?
  • 850 Pro vs 850 EVO - is it worth an extra $50, even in synthetic tests? Don't mention the 10 year vs 5 year warranty, because both of these drives will be obsolete in 1.
  • The WD Blacks are expensive and don't seem to be much more reliable than other 3TB drives. Toshiba has drives at a fraction of the cost and with fewer complaints regarding early failure.
  • I can't talk you out of the case, because I know you've had eyes on it for a while now. However, the complaints about heat management issues make me concerned that it might be a bit more form and not enough function. Especially at $500, I'd expect it to be flawless.
  • A PSU with flawless performance, but a damnable price. I love the XP2 series, but not enough to drop $175 when there are equally good alternatives.
  • Maybe you have an amazing sound system where a sound card will make a difference. If you don't, you're just throwing away money.
  • You realize you're spending $161.16 just on case fans, correct?

Here are my changes. I don't think you'll agree with many of them, but at the very least, it's food for thought.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5960X 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($999.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler ($89.85 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-X99-SLI ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($214.89 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($147.99 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Micro Center)
Storage: Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Micro Center)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Primo ATX Full Tower Case ($239.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link Archer T9E 802.11a/b/g/n/ac PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($64.95 @ B&H)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 51.4 CFM 120mm Fan ($10.90 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 51.4 CFM 120mm Fan ($10.90 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 51.4 CFM 120mm Fan ($10.90 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: be quiet! Pure Wings 2 51.4 CFM 120mm Fan ($10.90 @ Newegg)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-P14r redux-1500 PWM 78.7 CFM 140mm Fan ($17.67 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Noctua NF-P14r redux-1500 PWM 78.7 CFM 140mm Fan ($17.67 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-140-BK 66.0 CFM 140mm Fan ($13.95 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-140-BK 66.0 CFM 140mm Fan ($13.95 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-140-BK 66.0 CFM 140mm Fan ($13.95 @ OutletPC)
Case Fan: Fractal Design FD-FAN-SSR2-140-BK 66.0 CFM 140mm Fan ($13.95 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus ROG SWIFT PG278Q 144Hz 27.0" Monitor ($659.99 @ Micro Center)
Other: Mod/Smart Kobra SS 8-Pin 12V EPS Motherboard Extension Cables - 16" - Black / Carbon Fiber ($12.00)
Other: Mod/Smart Kobra SS 8-Pin 12V EPS Motherboard Extension Cables - 16" - Black / Carbon Fiber ($12.00)
Other: Mod/Smart Kobra SS 24-Pin Motherboard Extension Cables - 16" - Black / Carbon Fiber ($18.00)
Other: Mod/Smart Kobra SS 8-Pin PCI-E VGA Extension Cables - 16" - Black / Carbon ($12.00)
Other: Mod/Smart Kobra SS 8-Pin PCI-E VGA Extension Cables - 16" - Black / Carbon ($12.00)
Other: Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut High Performance Thermal Grease - 3ml ($24.00)
Total: $3112.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-23 21:49 EST-0500
CPU: If you're gonna throw a shit ton of money at something, you may as well have the world's fastest multithreaded consumer CPU.

HSF: Kept it the same. This is possibly the most agreeable thing you've picked for me.

Mobo: It supports quad SLI, and x16/x16 dual SLI. Chances are you'll have thrown this build away for a whole new rig by the time you need something more.

RAM: Here's the 32GB you planned on expanding toward. Have it today.

SSD: It's important to remember that "Pro" used to mean SLC, but the 850 Pro is MLC, and not worth the premium. There are no issues with the 850 EVO, unlike the 840 EVO, so don't let the branding skew your perception on a drive that uses a completely different technology.

HDD: Like I said, look at the ratio of people complaining about drives dying early between these and the WD Black 3TBs. I wouldn't throw down more money unless I had evidence suggesting I'm getting something out of it.

Case: You want something that blows a lot of air? Something large? Something elegant? The Primo is all of that.

PSU: This is a Seasonic PSU. Corsair's AX line (except for one of them for some reason) is built by Seasonic based on their X-Series design. I know you really, really like PSUs straight from the OEM, but it's not like it ruins Seasonic's high quality by putting Corsair's name on it.

Sound: Got rid of it. Fight me IRL.

Wireless: Kept what you had. More expensive than I'd get, but based on the parts you select I imagine you have the hardware that can actually utilize those speeds.

Fans: Kept the Noctuas for the CPU. Took the 140mm Fractal Design fans that come in their R5 cases as a more affordable option. Finally, the be quiet! Pure Wings are a newer design that reduce turbulence, and they have high quality bearings, so I think they're a good 120mm choice. Chances are the five fans that come with the Primo will be good enough, so you don't even need to buy half of these.

Monitor: BenQ is great and all, being the MLG sponsor or whatever, but FreeSync is not your best fit. The ROG Swift is a G-Sync monitor that your 780 Ti supports, meaning you'll be able to utilize its full potential now. Furthermore, if you're waiting on the next generation of graphics cards, Nvidia is the horse to bet on, as AMD has been putting all their resources toward CPU architecture as of late. It just seems like the correct path for you.

I have a hunch that most of that was stuff you didn't want to hear, especially regarding the monitor (which I think we've discussed before). You can point at my CPU pick as a flagrant waste of money, and I'll do the same to your case, and we can both shake our heads in dismay. :roy:




Dec 24 2015, 3:38 am Sacrieur Post #3

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Sound: Got rid of it. Fight me IRL.

A solid choice.

I'll be more than happy to elaborate why sound cards are awful creations with a defunct purpose. They're like the AGP graphics cards of the computer audio world. Only people still make and buy them.



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Dec 24 2015, 4:16 am Excalibur Post #4

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Wanted to get some SEN feedback on my current list and see if anyone has heard anything I haven't as work has been keeping me pretty busy.
Without knowing what the exact purpose of this build is, I can only assume this is a joke. Where you're conserving money vs where you're spending it liberally doesn't make sense to me. The only explanation I can think is that this is a showcase build, rather than building the most powerful or future-proof system with the funds available.
Build Purpose: Extremely overpowered gaming rig that provides an improvement on anything I currently have while looking 100% on point. Cosmetics are as important as performance here.

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Notes: GPU I am carrying over my 780Ti till AMD/NV release their next lineups next year. Second RAM kit will probably follow to hit 32GB.
Waiting on the GPU is a smart decision if Pascal is all it's supposed to be. 32GB is a lot of RAM, but again, without knowing what this PC will be used for, I can't say much on it.
I have 16GB now and spending 4-5000$ with no improvement in capacity is not okay to me.


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  • That massive HSF is probably the best air performer at that price bracket. Of course, you also have liquid cooling options here, like the H100i GTX.
  • That's a shit ton of fans; I presume eight for the case and two to replace the HSF fans? Do you have a fan controller for all these fans?
  • The monitor is nice, though you won't see its full potential with FreeSync with your current graphics card, and you'd need to go AMD in the future to do so.
  • That thermal paste looks hardcore. Is it just for your CPU, or are you going to use it for your GPU(s) as well?

-I do not like CLCs. My thoughts on liquid cooling are do it right (custom loop) or don't do it at all.

-If you look at the 909 product page the configuration I'll be doing is the 2x round fans on the CPU HS, 4x 140mm / 4x 120mm option they list.

-Considering. I'm not sure I give a shit about anyone's shitsync.

-I might do both depending on temps.


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  • You're dropping less than $400 for the CPU on a $3300 build?
  • Are you actually going to use the quad x16 PCIe on that motherboard? Or is there another reason you're spending twice as much as you need to?
  • You could double your RAM right now and spend less. If it's not for benchmarking, why spend such a huge premium on higher clock speeds?
  • 850 Pro vs 850 EVO - is it worth an extra $50, even in synthetic tests? Don't mention the 10 year vs 5 year warranty, because both of these drives will be obsolete in 1.
  • The WD Blacks are expensive and don't seem to be much more reliable than other 3TB drives. Toshiba has drives at a fraction of the cost and with fewer complaints regarding early failure.
  • I can't talk you out of the case, because I know you've had eyes on it for a while now. However, the complaints about heat management issues make me concerned that it might be a bit more form and not enough function. Especially at $500, I'd expect it to be flawless.
  • A PSU with flawless performance, but a damnable price. I love the XP2 series, but not enough to drop $175 when there are equally good alternatives.
  • Maybe you have an amazing sound system where a sound card will make a difference. If you don't, you're just throwing away money.
  • You realize you're spending $161.16 just on case fans, correct?

-True, but as a gamer do I need more than 6c/12thread? You could argue I don't even need that much but I have 4c/8thread now and spending 4-5K$ for the same number is unacceptable to me hence no Skylake / Z170.

-I want an MB that is of the highest quality and matches my color scheme to a T. Got another black/silver/grey MB to recommend that is top tier? Fire away.

-I may be shooting a little high on the RAM but its those or Dominator Platinums. Have to match color, have to be top tier, and I'd like at least DDR4-3000.

-For both the Pro and the Blacks the answer is the same: No compromises. I have used only WD drives since I started building. I have had a total of 0 failures. WD has done me right on such a level personally that it feels silly to go elsewhere. I will also never, no matter what any review, database, or other statistic says trust a Toshiba product. Working in retail our worst and most returned products were always Toshiba and when I say they were returned at 3x the rate of any other brand including HP, Acer, Lenovo, Dell, and all the regulars, it is no exaggeration. #1 reason for a Toshiba return: HDD failure.

-The case is exactly the aesthetic I'm looking for. Its either this or the Phanteks Enthoo Primo and the 909 is a much better looking case.
-SeaSonic or bust. As with WD they have an unbeatable track record with me.

-I have had a dedicated soundcard since before I did my first build. I have tried onboard audio multiple times in the last 10 years. It always seems muffled and muddy to me. I will concede that the X99's ASUS is putting out usually have some really great onboard sound but if 50$ makes me feel better about my audio situation, then that's my business. I am powering a set of the extremely hard to find Swan M10s.

-Noctua makes a good fan. I want the colors to match, no LED, and a good noise to CFM ratio. Recommend others perhaps? If you're worried about the 909's thermals the fans seem to only make more sense.



So to help I'll edit this target into the OP:
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Extremely overpowered gaming rig that provides an improvement on anything I currently have while looking 100% on point. Cosmetics are as important as performance here. Black/grey/silver color scheme which any and all possible parts must adhere to to the best of their abilities regardless of economics. Top tier manufacturers for absolutely everything, 'the market' and by extension people / non-official reviewers are dumb and does not dictate a trustworthy product.

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Dec 24 2015, 5:31 am Sacrieur Post #5

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I have had a dedicated soundcard since before I did my first build. I have tried onboard audio multiple times in the last 10 years. It always seems muffled and muddy to me. I will concede that the X99's ASUS is putting out usually have some really great onboard sound but if 50$ makes me feel better about my audio situation, then that's my business. I am powering a set of the extremely hard to find Swan M10s.

Swan M10s have their own power cord, so your sound card isn't powering them. And wouldn't be able to besides.



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Dec 24 2015, 5:42 am Excalibur Post #6

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I have had a dedicated soundcard since before I did my first build. I have tried onboard audio multiple times in the last 10 years. It always seems muffled and muddy to me. I will concede that the X99's ASUS is putting out usually have some really great onboard sound but if 50$ makes me feel better about my audio situation, then that's my business. I am powering a set of the extremely hard to find Swan M10s.

Swan M10s have their own power cord, so your sound card isn't powering them. And wouldn't be able to besides.
I wasn't implying it was supplying electrical power, its a figure of speech. v.v




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Dec 24 2015, 5:50 pm Roy Post #7

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Today's your day, Ex. The XP2 just went on sale: http://slickdeals.net/f/8398199



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True, but as a gamer do I need more than 6c/12thread? You could argue I don't even need that much but I have 4c/8thread now and spending 4-5K$ for the same number is unacceptable to me hence no Skylake / Z170.
4/8 is all you need for gaming, and stronger cores will benefit you more than a higher thread count for many games. Funny you should suggest Skylake would be more expensive when your only X99 option makes you drop $500 on the motherboard. If you get a 6700K (currently at $420) and a Z170 board for around $300, you end up spending less money. Your color-friendly options:

- MSI XPower Gaming Titanium (review)
- EVGA Classified (review)

There's also the Asus Z170-WS, but since it's so new I can't find any reviews on it. It's extremely feature-rich, however. The Sabertooth Mark 1 (review) is another possibility if you don't mind the secondary color on the RAM and PCIe slots (which should be covered up anyway), though its overclocking feature set isn't as robust the aforementioned boards.

With the MSI or EVGA boards, you come in at $50 cheaper before taxes than your current picks, even at the overpriced point of the 6700K (which should be closer to $360). As for the CPU change, here are synthetic test comparisons. As for which one is better for gaming, it really comes down to how well the game is optimized: the 5820K will be ahead if the game can fully utilize all its threads, and the 6700K will be ahead if the game only uses, say, 4 cores. The 5820K is more future-proof, if that's a concern of yours.

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Dec 24 2015, 6:04 pm Excalibur Post #8

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Today's your day, Ex. The XP2 just went on sale: http://slickdeals.net/f/8398199
Buying that when I get home. Awesome. :)

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4/8 is all you need for gaming, and stronger cores will benefit you more than a higher thread count for gaming. Funny you should suggest Skylake would be more expensive when your only X99 option makes you drop $500 on the motherboard. If you get a 6700K (currently at $420) and a Z170 board for around $300, you end up spending less money. Your color-friendly options:

- MSI XPower Gaming Titanium (review)
- EVGA Classified (review)

There's also the Asus Z170-WS, but since it's so new I can't find any reviews on it. It's extremely feature-rich, however. The Sabertooth Mark 1 (review) is another possibility if you don't mind the secondary color on the RAM and PCIe slots (which should be covered up anyway), though its overclocking feature set isn't as the aforementioned boards.

With the MSI or EVGA boards, you come in at $50 cheaper before taxes than your current picks, even at the overpriced point of the 6700K (which should be closer to $360). As for the CPU change, here are synthetic test comparisons. As for which one is better for gaming, it really comes down to how well the game is optimized: the 5820K will be ahead if the game can fully utilize all its threads, and the 6700K will be ahead if the game only uses, say, 4 cores. The 5820K is more future-proof, if that's a concern of yours.
The main problem with the Z170 path is the overpriced nature of the 6700k. I pay ever so slightly more and boom, more cores, more thread, X99 platform. I LOVE the Titanium board. Absolutely enthralled with it. But future proofing is a definite concern and since this build is going to have to be around awhile I'd rather bet on developers continuing to move in the direction of optimizing for more cores. I'm also looking into streaming and some other applications, and again, for almost 5k$, I want more cores than what I already have.

Thanks for the continued feedback Roy. :)




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Dec 25 2015, 3:16 pm Excalibur Post #9

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Update:
Got my 850 Pro, Audigy RX, and 2 of my 3TBs off Jet.com for 520$ shipped. For anyone who hasn't checked the site out yet, its worth a look. They don't always have the best price on everything but the discounts from ordering more items and the 15% off for new customers promo code made this a nice deal for me. :)




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Dec 25 2015, 7:01 pm Sacrieur Post #10

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I wouldn't have recommended a sound card, but since your speakers are RCA input I guess it really doesn't matter unless you'd be willing to spend considerably more on audio ($300 - $400).

I still recommend headphones, namely the AKG K240s, which are the best kind you can get for any listening purpose under $100.



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Dec 25 2015, 7:04 pm Excalibur Post #11

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I wouldn't have recommended a sound card, but since your speakers are RCA input I guess it really doesn't matter unless you'd be willing to spend considerably more on audio ($300 - $400).

I still recommend headphones, namely the AKG K240s, which are the best kind you can get for any listening purpose under $100.
A high end audio set up will be part of my re-furnishing of my room which is my next project after this PC.

For now the PC audio just needs to be good-enough which in my book is the setup I've chosen.

When I do my audio build I'd be interested to hear any thoughts you might have on record players, receivers, and speakers. :)




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Dec 25 2015, 7:22 pm Sacrieur Post #12

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I wouldn't have recommended a sound card, but since your speakers are RCA input I guess it really doesn't matter unless you'd be willing to spend considerably more on audio ($300 - $400).

I still recommend headphones, namely the AKG K240s, which are the best kind you can get for any listening purpose under $100.
A high end audio set up will be part of my re-furnishing of my room which is my next project after this PC.

For now the PC audio just needs to be good-enough which in my book is the setup I've chosen.

When I do my audio build I'd be interested to hear any thoughts you might have on record players, receivers, and speakers. :)

Oh dude, totes.



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Dec 26 2015, 4:04 am rockz Post #13

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I don't see how people can use headphones for extended periods of time.

I would rather listen to audio on my bluetooth speaker than wear premium headphones while watching a movie or playing a game that doesn't require zero input delay.

Anyway, just bought an amazon fire for $35 over black friday and looks like there's a referral code for $5 off amazon for signing into the amazon app the first time: link. Full Disclosure: if you buy something, you'll get the $5 off, and I'll get $5 in promo credits. My brother just used it to drop a $10 case into $5 and chose the no rush shipping for $1 back in promo credit.

Coupled with the Amazon Chase card, you can get an additional $80 in amazon gift card as well, and every time you buy something on amazon, you get 3% back, which makes the card one of the best to get when it's not december anymore and the chase freedom card isn't offering 10% back on amazon.

Also: time to get 2 or more monitors and a fan controller do drop the sound down to barely audible.



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Dec 26 2015, 5:07 am Sacrieur Post #14

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I don't see how people can use headphones for extended periods of time.

I would rather listen to audio on my bluetooth speaker than wear premium headphones while watching a movie or playing a game that doesn't require zero input delay.

Do you have sensitive ears? Otherwise I just suggest to get better, more comfortable headphones. I can wear those AKGs I posted every day, twelve or more hours a day without discomfort. It's a feature of the semi-open design.



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Dec 26 2015, 5:09 am Roy Post #15

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Coupled with the Amazon Chase card, you can get an additional $80 in amazon gift card as well, and every time you buy something on amazon, you get 3% back, which makes the card one of the best to get when it's not december anymore and the chase freedom card isn't offering 10% back on amazon.
Alternatively, get the Amazon Store Card and get 5% "cashback" (limited to statement credit payments) year-round.




Dec 26 2015, 10:04 am Lanthanide Post #16



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-For both the Pro and the Blacks the answer is the same: No compromises. I have used only WD drives since I started building. I have had a total of 0 failures. WD has done me right on such a level personally that it feels silly to go elsewhere. I will also never, no matter what any review, database, or other statistic says trust a Toshiba product. Working in retail our worst and most returned products were always Toshiba and when I say they were returned at 3x the rate of any other brand including HP, Acer, Lenovo, Dell, and all the regulars, it is no exaggeration. #1 reason for a Toshiba return: HDD failure.
Relying on personal anecdote instead of data is silly.

Also, unless you know that all of those Toshiba products actually used Toshiba HDs, then this evidence is misleading. I suspect that Toshiba would often use non-Toshiba components in their products, if they can get a bulk buy at a good price or simply don't have the required stock on hand. It is a perfectly valid strategy for a company to produce top-tier standalone components and sell them for top dollar, and when building their own complete system integrate the standard products from other vendors.

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I don't see how people can use headphones for extended periods of time.

I would rather listen to audio on my bluetooth speaker than wear premium headphones while watching a movie or playing a game that doesn't require zero input delay.

Do you have sensitive ears? Otherwise I just suggest to get better, more comfortable headphones. I can wear those AKGs I posted every day, twelve or more hours a day without discomfort. It's a feature of the semi-open design.
Headphones always hurt my ears after 2+ hours of use, no matter which ones I've tried.



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Dec 26 2015, 2:14 pm Excalibur Post #17

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-For both the Pro and the Blacks the answer is the same: No compromises. I have used only WD drives since I started building. I have had a total of 0 failures. WD has done me right on such a level personally that it feels silly to go elsewhere. I will also never, no matter what any review, database, or other statistic says trust a Toshiba product. Working in retail our worst and most returned products were always Toshiba and when I say they were returned at 3x the rate of any other brand including HP, Acer, Lenovo, Dell, and all the regulars, it is no exaggeration. #1 reason for a Toshiba return: HDD failure.
Relying on personal anecdote instead of data is silly.

Also, unless you know that all of those Toshiba products actually used Toshiba HDs, then this evidence is misleading. I suspect that Toshiba would often use non-Toshiba components in their products, if they can get a bulk buy at a good price or simply don't have the required stock on hand. It is a perfectly valid strategy for a company to produce top-tier standalone components and sell them for top dollar, and when building their own complete system integrate the standard products from other vendors.
As the person running the technical service, sales, and repair department of course I knew they were using Toshiba drives. We would have been idiots and remiss in our duties if we didn't establish that was part of the pattern and problem.

I understand that at large anecdotal evidence is not on par with certain things like Blackblaze or other databases, if you have first hand experiences of a company producing crap for years upon years, its hard to take a chart's word over your own experiences. Much like the soundcard issue, its my money, its my expertise, and this is the path I think suits me best.

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I don't see how people can use headphones for extended periods of time.

I would rather listen to audio on my bluetooth speaker than wear premium headphones while watching a movie or playing a game that doesn't require zero input delay.

Do you have sensitive ears? Otherwise I just suggest to get better, more comfortable headphones. I can wear those AKGs I posted every day, twelve or more hours a day without discomfort. It's a feature of the semi-open design.
Headphones always hurt my ears after 2+ hours of use, no matter which ones I've tried.
I too would also rather be shot than wear headphones all the time. :P

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Dec 26 2015, 2:43 pm by Excalibur.




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Jan 7 2016, 6:20 am Excalibur Post #18

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Updated as of 1/7/16.

All parts are ordered. Build should commence next week. I found some deals and thus made some changes, Newegg for example had my mobo open box for $120 less than what I was going to pay, we'll see if it works out. Some changes on the memory and case as well. I didn't mind the more expensive options but I want to get building sooner rather than later and with my original parts list it wouldn't be happening for another month.




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