Oh aye, and you are most certainly an expert on our angle of thinking?

Twitch does not know what he is talking about.

Fact 1: That's not what it was made for, so stfu.
Fact 2: Not everyone goes to forums, you know.
Fact 3: ORLY? I heard it actually corrupts the map a good deal.
Fact 4: SEN isn't hosting OSMAP or letting members post public links, so you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Fact 5: They're not hosting OSMAP. Why don't you read before posting.

A Fact about you: You think you are right and everyone else is wrong. You don't even listen what people have to say, and think that you really have a say in what SEN does. These facts are useless, we've heard them before.

1. Whether or not that's what it was intended to do, it is used that way regardless. Come up with a REAL argument.
2. Thank you Captain Obvious, now once again, REAL argument?
3. Oh really* and what is "it"?
4. Yet.
5. Why don't you learn how to debate before opening your mouth?

wasnt what it was made for. So? It is still used as such, which is the most important point. Your turn to stfu.
It's oh so hard to google "starcraft" and find a forum to ask for help on. I do not pity those too lazy to help themselves. Any problems resulting from their own stubbornness is their own fault.
It protects the map from other mappers, while still allowing it to be played. It doesnt damage the integrity of the map as it would play.
but you endorse the use and cencept of it quite publically. Its been stated that you will either disallow both OSMAP and protection, or you will allow OSMAP. Either way, people who steal maps get a free ride.
where did he say they were?
1) he is right
2) everyone else is wrong
3) he is listening, itsjust that you guys failed to make any valid points
4) we already said this thread is pointless. WE already said this thread will not affect how SEN operates. That was the very first thing I posted here.

Your assumptions and straw-man tactics will do you no good against people with an IQ above 12 (eg: titan, akar, & myself, to say the least)

Who are these "people"?

You may wish to diversify your vocabulary.

IQ of 17.42 ftw!

Protogod, I don't know if you ignored everything I said in this topic. As for your apparent imaginary mapper "rights" or whatever, we aren't hosting OSmap here or allowing people to post direct links. If you come on here and submit your map, you can choose to restrict others from editing your map through an option. If thats not pro-protection, I don't know what is.

And no, I don't take offense to what you say. I just find it ironic that you considered SEN to be too small on your radar of worthiness yet here you are.

I'd hoped to see some sort of successful community when I came here, but I havent seen anything truly intriguing other than some of your terrain blending threads.

Besides, can't a man troll around in his own backyard?

We're just starting up again.


You are more than welcome to. It can be found here. Have a good time!

Seriously this is beyond being a reasonable debate at this point.

As for your claims, which are quite blown out of proportion.


This is like saying alcohol is used to drive while intoxicated, and you act as if map stealing is the equivalent of someone being killed because of the drunk driver. Map stealing is wrong but you are exaggerating trying desperately to hold onto your arguments.

You wanted an example how you don't see both sides? This is one of them, you made that claim purposefully to get your own point across while ignoring the fact that it happens so rarely it is almost null. Aside from that you threw out Doom's counter without even considering it.

From now on, I'm deleting all the distracting "stop arguing" posts. You've been warned.

Do you understand what this means? OSMAP (not the .exe) = Open Source Mapping. A concept. IE, if I WANT to release my map without protection and I WANT other people to edit it, you don't have a right to stop me from doing that just as I don't have a right to edit your locked maps. That is what I seek to allow. Ignore the name confusion that OSMAP.exe created.

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can an OSMAP guy tell me exactly what OSMAP has given us that we haven't had before?

it's not knowledge - we already have/have always had the best technical mapmakers here(note: i'm saying technical, not 'best,' because OSMAP isn't going to teach you shit about how to find out what people like and how to implement it into a map)

The acronym OSMAP was stated to be "Open Source MApping Project".

Some people were mindlessly protecting their maps, and now they no longer do.

What's so wrong with "mindlessly" protecting a map? It's not as if you could not find the knowledge else where. If someone takes the time to find OSMap is it not reasonable to figure that they should also be able to find tutorials on Maplantis and SEN?

yes...but what is the protection 'harming'?

what you said wasn't much different that saying people are mindlessly using waits in their maps and they shouldn't be allowed to....which really isn't saying much

Good point.

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Do you understand what this means? OSMAP (not the .exe) = Open Source Mapping. A concept. IE, if I WANT to release my map without protection and I WANT other people to edit it, you don't have a right to stop me from doing that just as I don't have a right to edit your locked maps.

That is just stupid

Can we agree

'OSMAP' means the unprotecting program OSMAP.exe
'open source mapping' means endorsing and encouraging map makers to release their maps without protection

ex: I support open source mapping, but I strongly dislike OSMAP.

otherwise it's just damn confusing.

You cannot learn anything you want from the tutorials posted by people, as no one tends to make test maps, and just reading about complex systems will not allow most people to actually recreate them. This is the main reason why I made my own website, so I could link mappers to tutorials that explain things in simpler terms, and provide maps that you can look at for the actual way to do the system.

While this is all great, it is too much work for someone to do, and is a huge waste of time that could easily be replaced by OS Mapping the maps that use the system you need to learn about. Many systems cannot be learned through just tutorials, like how there is only a handful of maps that have managed to use the 4x speed trick without crashing, those maps were locked, and the only reason why people know that all they did was the same basic trick with a scarab that has had a few flags unchecked is because we could open it with OS Map.

We should stop crying about what we have already lost and look at what we can gain, by blocking out OS Map, we are stopping nobody, and we are helping nobody, but if we allow members to post it, we are able to help people.

Oh, man, if I just look at that uncommented mess of triggers I'm going to instantly gain a magic understanding of what they do!

Cracking open protected maps to look at them offers little or no advantage above using either open-source maps made by eminent mappers (which, believe it or not, can exist without OSMAP) or reading tutorials.