If you support it and don't want me to do something retarded, please for the love of science just stop with the exaggeration and remove that signature of yours. Then we can put this issue to rest.

Oh, that, I look at signatures so infrequently

You really shouldn't say things like 'I only support unprotection to be trendy' and 'I am easily influenced by virtually anyone.'

That's not the way I heard it.

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You'll just leave again when you get tired of us?
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You can learn plenty from playing protected maps by PLAYING them and analyzing how they work. This is how I am able to duplicate things when I want to. You may not directly learn how things are done, but you learn ideas.

What? We've all been talking in such a manner on both sides of the issue.

You make protection sound less bad?

Mooooooose! Nooooo!


C'mon. This argument doesn't need to go on any longer. IP and Yoshi reached a resolution, and that's enough. As hollow as it is in the wake of OSMAP, it ought at least to be enough for now to settle this matter. Let's not invite more drama.

Whatever. I don't care anymore.

As was made quite clear, the policy has been decided. Yoshi has been stating some rather ridiculous things regarding how "he" came to this policy and what happens if he does not like how it works out. So we attack. Stab. Stab stab. Stab.

Some people are just a little mystified how someone could start a big argument, claim they didn't want to argue, then end the argument by stating that everyone involved is a total child. Worse yet "he" supposedly came up with a great new policy that actually had already been in affect in the Rules FAQ written by Moose. And that's just the start of the craziness.

About time. Only a couple hundred posts too late but that's ok.

Yeah okay. I made this topic so you guys can have your own voice in decisions we make here, and if the policy isn't much different then thats what we decided on to make you all happy. I didn't claim that i thought it up, I was just stating it.

Obviously allowing you to voice your opinion was a mistake. For the future I'll be sure to do stuff without consulting the community.

what's happened to you?

You basically just won the argument.

"you shouldn't make programs that force them to either change their options or go into a corner and cry".


I don't need OSMAP to unprotect maps.





I have good ol' Hexadecimal Editing.

Consulting the community to let them choose for you isn't a good idea. Consulting to confirm the action you want to take and/or helping them understand the meaning behind it is why you do it.

As I said. People don't know shit. Don't rely on them.

What 'e said.

I like you more every day.

In fairness, the administrators and moderators are not elected here. They are not necessarily the "voice" of the community. Your position is still administrative however, and as such it is your job to make the decisions that affect everyone. If your goal is to keep people coming to this website, people who are intelligent and who add something to the community, you should be making decisions that keep those people happy. Do you really need to make topics like this to find out what is going to keep those people happy? I think not.

Making a topic like this in order to get some insight into what the community wants may generate some goodwill towards you. However being dismissive of those discussing the issue makes it worse than if you had never sought the community's opinion at all.

I didn't intend to challenge his stance, only the reasoning behind it. I would implement a similar, if not the same policy. You already know where I stand and why.

Good! Just remember to consult me & the staff.

The policy is something I can live with, as I said before, but this a bit ridiculous. Just because the USA supports democracy (right or wrong) doesn't mean that Cuba should support communism (right or wrong).

If it's a matter of offering 2 things and each individual could only choose one, obviously 2 different things has the potential to please more people, each person can get what they want. That is the only arguement for you, except, many of the users of both sites are interchangable, which nullifies most of that.


Please, Please, don't tell me that now. If you feel it necessary to ignore all the intelligent posts made, or at least not act on them after prompting all of them to be made, then don't just use the reasoning that a few people made bullshit arguements and therefore the whole arguement isn't helpful. It would be nice if you could at least acknowledge their were people who were making good points, discussing what was supposed to be discussed, helping to determine a policy.

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You guys make me laugh. No matter what you guys do, you'll never agree on anything. You guys can THINK all you want, but nothing will happen until you DO something.
As for the USA, it is the superpower in the world, so whatever it says is bad is bad. And the USA says communism is bad, so it is.

This is ridiculous. I'll be on warboards not getting my maps stolen, kthx.

I mean, there never really was a "decide your fate" mentality here. Look at yoshi's first post. This argument isnt just about allowing the unprotection program, this is about the OSMAP philosophy that yoshi believes in. No matter which side wins, yoshi's philosophy is the bottom line- No off-limits maps.

This kind of begging-the-question-fallacy is just sickening. While everyone here was attacking the Straw-man of OSMAP (the program) yoshi's subtle little assumption went unnoticed.

You people argue for 14 pages while he sits nice and cushy, knowing that no matter what, people will always be able to steal maps as they wish. It doesnt matter if OSMAP is allowed if you cant protect maps anyway, just as it doesnt matter if you can protect maps as long as OSMAP is allowed.

I, for one, don't want my maps to be editable by the public, which is the ONLY thing that is up for debate here. But thanks to yoshi's ploy, that really isnt even up for debate. All this thread does is give people the illusion that their opinion matters.

Smart boy, yoshi. Not smart enough, though.

Have fun at warboards

Lol, I haven't seen any good maps come from you, or any help either, so I really don't care if you go to warboards, because here, we know what we are doing, and so does 'smart boy' yoshi.