[quote=Killer_Kow]But Syphon, it's sooooooo boring =( Why should I have to show: 3x-4=4x-3 -4x+3x-4+4=4x-4x-3+4 (this is the step I hate the most in basic algebra, it makes the equation more confusing) -x=1 x=-1 When I could just write down x=-1? :/[/quote] If you have to show THAT then your teacher is retarded Oo At least if you are not doing this stuff for the first time. Especially that second line, wtf?

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But Syphon, it's sooooooo boring =(

Why should I have to show:

3x-4=4x-3
-4x+3x-4+4=4x-4x-3+4 (this is the step I hate the most in basic algebra, it makes the equation more confusing)
-x=1
x=-1

When I could just write down x=-1? :/

If you have to show THAT then your teacher is retarded Oo At least if you are not doing this stuff for the first time. Especially that second line, wtf?

I still do the work if it is required of me, but I just don't like it being required. I still get A's in every math class ever. Most of the problems that you can do in your head but have be shown on the paper are relatively short (not too annoying to write out) anyways. [QUOTE]Why should I have to show: 3x-4=4x-3 -4x+3x-4+4=4x-4x-3+4 (this is the step I hate the most in basic algebra, it makes the equation more confusing) -x=1 x=-1 When I could just write down x=-1? :/[/QUOTE] I did that shit in 7th grade, and it's hardly anything when it comes to having to show work. And spineshealth, the second line is just him showing really poorly how to subtract 4x and adding 4 to both sides to get x on one side(which isn't even the easiest way to do it).

I still do the work if it is required of me, but I just don't like it being required. I still get A's in every math class ever. Most of the problems that you can do in your head but have be shown on the paper are relatively short (not too annoying to write out) anyways.

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Why should I have to show:

3x-4=4x-3
-4x+3x-4+4=4x-4x-3+4 (this is the step I hate the most in basic algebra, it makes the equation more confusing)
-x=1
x=-1

When I could just write down x=-1? :/

I did that shit in 7th grade, and it's hardly anything when it comes to having to show work. And spineshealth, the second line is just him showing really poorly how to subtract 4x and adding 4 to both sides to get x on one side(which isn't even the easiest way to do it).

[quote=Dapperdan]I still do the work if it is required of me, but I just don't like it being required. I still get A's in every math class ever. Most of the problems that you can do in your head but have be shown on the paper are relatively short (not too annoying to write out) anyways. [QUOTE]Why should I have to show: 3x-4=4x-3 -4x+3x-4+4=4x-4x-3+4 (this is the step I hate the most in basic algebra, it makes the equation more confusing) -x=1 x=-1 When I could just write down x=-1? :/[/QUOTE] I did that shit in 7th grade, and it's hardly anything when it comes to having to show work. And spineshealth, the second line is just him showing really poorly how to subtract 4x and adding 4 to both sides to get x on one side(which isn't even the easiest way to do it).[/quote] Also who puts the step shown in the second line in one line? It's easier to read when adding/subtracting like that you put it under the original equation, or is it just that you're typing it? I also like to show work just out of habit, and it helps when you're going over it and checking your work or when you're doing something complicated so you don't find yourself making a silly mistake. Instead of having to retain all the information mentally when taking a test and maybe screwing something else, you just write it down and then you won't have an issue with it. But that's just my personal preference, I could care less what other people like to do. It's not my problem when they complain about teachers saying they haven't shown enough work.

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I still do the work if it is required of me, but I just don't like it being required. I still get A's in every math class ever. Most of the problems that you can do in your head but have be shown on the paper are relatively short (not too annoying to write out) anyways.

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Why should I have to show:

3x-4=4x-3
-4x+3x-4+4=4x-4x-3+4 (this is the step I hate the most in basic algebra, it makes the equation more confusing)
-x=1
x=-1

When I could just write down x=-1? :/

I did that shit in 7th grade, and it's hardly anything when it comes to having to show work. And spineshealth, the second line is just him showing really poorly how to subtract 4x and adding 4 to both sides to get x on one side(which isn't even the easiest way to do it).

Also who puts the step shown in the second line in one line? It's easier to read when adding/subtracting like that you put it under the original equation, or is it just that you're typing it?

I also like to show work just out of habit, and it helps when you're going over it and checking your work or when you're doing something complicated so you don't find yourself making a silly mistake. Instead of having to retain all the information mentally when taking a test and maybe screwing something else, you just write it down and then you won't have an issue with it. But that's just my personal preference, I could care less what other people like to do. It's not my problem when they complain about teachers saying they haven't shown enough work.

I hate graphing, especially the fucking circular functions.

I hate graphing, especially the fucking circular functions.

[quote=devilesk]Also who puts the step shown in the second line in one line? It's easier to read when adding/subtracting like that you put it under the original equation, or is it just that you're typing it?[/quote] Just 'cause I was typing, but still. I wouldn't mind showing my work if I was learning stuff for the first time, but we got the exact same work (I mean literally, the exact same sheets with the exact same questions) that we got in Grade 8 (I'm in grade 10 now), and they were redundant in grade 8...

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Also who puts the step shown in the second line in one line? It's easier to read when adding/subtracting like that you put it under the original equation, or is it just that you're typing it?

Just 'cause I was typing, but still.

I wouldn't mind showing my work if I was learning stuff for the first time, but we got the exact same work (I mean literally, the exact same sheets with the exact same questions) that we got in Grade 8 (I'm in grade 10 now), and they were redundant in grade 8...

Amen to that. I was able to find the answer instantly to virtually any problem given in 6-8'th grade (and before) - but noo, I had to write out the friggin problem, simplify it, do the same with another (double variable double equations), graph both, and check the intersection. I mean, come on, you could guess and check that and find the answer in less then a minute. Or substitute. Or subtract.

Amen to that. I was able to find the answer instantly to virtually any problem given in 6-8'th grade (and before) - but noo, I had to write out the friggin problem, simplify it, do the same with another (double variable double equations), graph both, and check the intersection. I mean, come on, you could guess and check that and find the answer in less then a minute. Or substitute. Or subtract.

What I hated was long division and all that junk. All that elementary and integrated math pissed me off, than i discovered Algebra... and was like... OH this is what Math is all about, kthnx it is fun now.

What I hated was long division and all that junk. All that elementary and integrated math pissed me off, than i discovered Algebra... and was like... OH this is what Math is all about, kthnx it is fun now.

As stupid as it may seem, having to show steps/work [I]is [/I]what math is about; it's about proving and showing [I]exactly [/I]how you get your answer. Not doing is like not teaching anything about the periodic table in your chemistry class. You may argue, "but it's so damn simple! ANYone can see how I get from here to here." As your "math" subjects get harder and more complicated, you will realize that showing your work IS required, not for the teacher/grader's sake, but for your own sake too; algebra and that stuff alike train you in the future to be able to show work. Again, algebra and that stuff aint math; it trains you on the fundamentals such as showing work and being patient as you are writing down the steps.

As stupid as it may seem, having to show steps/work is what math is about; it's about proving and showing exactly how you get your answer. Not doing is like not teaching anything about the periodic table in your chemistry class. You may argue, "but it's so damn simple! ANYone can see how I get from here to here." As your "math" subjects get harder and more complicated, you will realize that showing your work IS required, not for the teacher/grader's sake, but for your own sake too; algebra and that stuff alike train you in the future to be able to show work. Again, algebra and that stuff aint math; it trains you on the fundamentals such as showing work and being patient as you are writing down the steps.

[QUOTE]As stupid as it may seem, having to show steps/work is what math is about; it's about proving and showing exactly how you get your answer. Not doing is like not teaching anything about the periodic table in your chemistry class. You may argue, "but it's so damn simple! ANYone can see how I get from here to here." As your "math" subjects get harder and more complicated, you will realize that showing your work IS required, not for the teacher/grader's sake, but for your own sake too; algebra and that stuff alike train you in the future to be able to show work. Again, algebra and that stuff aint math; it trains you on the fundamentals such as showing work and being patient as you are writing down the steps.[/QUOTE] I can understand that I need to used to it in the showing your work way for the future without actually showing my work. And, once I understand how the math actually works there's no further need to me to continue writing the same shit over and over again. But as I said, I will still write the 2+2 type stuff if the teacher really requires me too.

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As stupid as it may seem, having to show steps/work is what math is about; it's about proving and showing exactly how you get your answer. Not doing is like not teaching anything about the periodic table in your chemistry class. You may argue, "but it's so damn simple! ANYone can see how I get from here to here." As your "math" subjects get harder and more complicated, you will realize that showing your work IS required, not for the teacher/grader's sake, but for your own sake too; algebra and that stuff alike train you in the future to be able to show work. Again, algebra and that stuff aint math; it trains you on the fundamentals such as showing work and being patient as you are writing down the steps.

I can understand that I need to used to it in the showing your work way for the future without actually showing my work. And, once I understand how the math actually works there's no further need to me to continue writing the same shit over and over again. But as I said, I will still write the 2+2 type stuff if the teacher really requires me too.

[quote=Doktor Shotgun]I hate graphing, especially the fucking circular functions.[/quote] That like the easiest part of graphing, and it looks coolest. :(

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I hate graphing, especially the fucking circular functions.

That like the easiest part of graphing, and it looks coolest.

[quote=Syphon][quote=Doktor Shotgun]I hate graphing, especially the fucking circular functions.[/quote] That like the easiest part of graphing, and it looks coolest. :([/quote] Dude linear functions are the easiest by far.

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I hate graphing, especially the fucking circular functions.

That like the easiest part of graphing, and it looks coolest.

Dude linear functions are the easiest by far.

y intercept ftw!

y intercept ftw!

Graphing circles is so easy and fun!!!. Currently im programming my calculator to handle all my physic equations and experimenting with game-esque type things where everything is dug into a single loop statement that updates the screen as computer games work. I wrote a program that would create random circles on the graph, then move them around on the graph. Was fun!!!!!

Graphing circles is so easy and fun!!!. Currently im programming my calculator to handle all my physic equations and experimenting with game-esque type things where everything is dug into a single loop statement that updates the screen as computer games work.

I wrote a program that would create random circles on the graph, then move them around on the graph. Was fun!!!!!

[quote=devilesk][quote=Syphon][quote=Doktor Shotgun]I hate graphing, especially the fucking circular functions.[/quote] That like the easiest part of graphing, and it looks coolest. :([/quote] Dude linear functions are the easiest by far.[/quote] Touché. But they aren't fun. [quote=Cole]Graphing circles is so easy and fun!!!. Currently im programming my calculator to handle all my physic equations and experimenting with game-esque type things where everything is dug into a single loop statement that updates the screen as computer games work. I wrote a program that would create random circles on the graph, then move them around on the graph. Was fun!!!!![/quote] Circular functions != graphing circles.

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I hate graphing, especially the fucking circular functions.

That like the easiest part of graphing, and it looks coolest.

Dude linear functions are the easiest by far.

Touché. But they aren't fun.

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Graphing circles is so easy and fun!!!. Currently im programming my calculator to handle all my physic equations and experimenting with game-esque type things where everything is dug into a single loop statement that updates the screen as computer games work.

I wrote a program that would create random circles on the graph, then move them around on the graph. Was fun!!!!!

Circular functions != graphing circles.

indeed, circular function just refers to a trignometric function, you cannot graph a circle with a function.

indeed, circular function just refers to a trignometric function, you cannot graph a circle with a function.

[QUOTE]you cannot graph a circle with a function. [/QUOTE] [color=#b5b5ff]r(theta) = 2 n00b :p[/color]

[QUOTE]Circular functions != graphing circles. [/QUOTE] My bad I thought I read, "graphing circles". Not circular functions. [QUOTE]you cannot graph a circle with a function. [/QUOTE] Screw the horizontal line test!!! Ahh!!! Bend the laws of mathematics!!!! Functions will graph circles!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

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Circular functions != graphing circles.

My bad I thought I read, "graphing circles". Not circular functions.

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you cannot graph a circle with a function.

Screw the horizontal line test!!! Ahh!!! Bend the laws of mathematics!!!! Functions will graph circles!!!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

[color=#b5b5ff]Actually, the really noob thing is that v5 is not UTF-8 compliant so I can't put a theta in my post :><: [/color]

x^2+y^2=1 works too. Although that's not polar, so it's not really a function.

x^2+y^2=1 works too.

Although that's not polar, so it's not really a function.

[quote=Syphon][quote=Doktor Shotgun]I hate graphing, especially the fucking circular functions.[/quote] That like the easiest part of graphing, and it looks coolest. :([/quote] I dunno what you're taking, I'm a sophomore in Honors Trigonometry, so I haven't done anything beyond circular functions in terms of graphing. I just hate making the goddamn curves, they never turn out right and I have to get it perfectly because I'm obsessive over shit like that.

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I hate graphing, especially the fucking circular functions.

That like the easiest part of graphing, and it looks coolest.

I dunno what you're taking, I'm a sophomore in Honors Trigonometry, so I haven't done anything beyond circular functions in terms of graphing. I just hate making the goddamn curves, they never turn out right and I have to get it perfectly because I'm obsessive over shit like that.