The same thing happened in TS, it just took longer because the pool of players playing it seriously was way, way less and it was around for a lot less time. And yes, I've told myself many times not to get HP for medic because it's stupid, lol. Every hero has their established build, just like DotA, but there are also some varieties allowed, just like DotA. It's just much less discrete because after a while each hero turns out about the same, anyway.

HP for medic is actually quite situational. I have only seen it succeed once but sure it can work.


I'm not saying don't add new features, but don't add too much features----item feature is simply too much to beginners. I like DoTA style maps but it's always the freaking huge amount of items that you can choose which throws me off. By the time I finished reading all the item description our base is often destroyed (ok a bit too much here, but it's too late to play ANYWAYS)

And if you want higher attack there is always the "Upgrade weapons/armor" feature, so items will definitely be some gimmicky stuff which is soooo hard to remember if you pit too many of them in the game. You will get newbs spending the first minute reading up the description...and remember, TS is a very fast paced game compared to DoTA, so while 3 minutes early game isn't too much of an issue for DOTA games as spawns aren't out yet, it is in TS...(remember the golden 40 second back in TS?)

While I do agree that item features can be a bit overwhelming at first, the ability to use items allows you to customize and stylize your hero so much that it'd be a shame to not have some sort of item system. Basically it allows you to build your hero any way you see fit, using the abilities as a complement to your item build, rather than your abilities defining who you are.

Paper works, unfortunately.


Wouldn't it work better the other way, where the Abilities allow you to customize and build your hero the way you see fit, while using items as a complement to your ability build, rather than your items defining who you are?

Please, please do not add items.

Temple Siege in BW is my favorite map because of the low starter's curve where individual's skill is more emphasized instead of remembering certain build/combination of spells. You can never see the term "Power XX", "Mana XX", "HP XX", etc in ANY of the other DoTA style games. Every single freakin' game of those it's people sticking to a finite style because it performs 'best' and everything else is just a waste of time.

Have you ever have told yourself "Don't go L4 with special ops it's BS!" or "Don't get HP for medic it's stupid!".

No, the possibilities in TS is endless and that's what makes it come out on top of all the popular DoTA out there back in the days. It's the balance of everything that made all the possibilities possible. The more factors you integrate in, the harder it is to balance and will thus limit the chances of players find new stuff.

My suggestion: It's better to start off simple, with as little features around when it's first released. Then, update around once a week or once a month, each patch bringing up new features such as cliff jump and cliff walk instead of throwing 9,001 new stuff in the face of the players. Many will be too focused on the gimmicky stuffs and totally forget playing and get completely owned because they thought 'new stuff = win', and get discouraged. (Take a look at zealot frenzy---every time a new hero comes out everyone goes batshit crazy and then quit the game)

P.S. I think 4v4 is the limit here, even though I prefer the old 3v3-----the popularity system works in a way that the more players needed = less played = lower popularity. Look at how stupid maps like unit_tester got to the top of list because it's single player...

Also, waiting for 12 people to join the game when that map is on the second page is a pain in the ass...unless you get a whole crap load of people to all find and join the game, start and leave and start and leave for 12 hours straight...

People who don't even play TS, understand what it is, or care about it need to get the f**k off this forum topic.
*cough* neki *cough*

I say we keep it at 3v3, to keep lag at a minimum, and because I like that number

I also think the middle entrance to the bases should be wider than the side entrances, but have more cannons. That way, people may find it easier to go to the side, but then get trapped by spawn and shot down by cannons

I ALSO think we should name some units after SEN members, just because we can

I guess.. wouldn't make any sense though... name should relate to spells

Devlin-

Spell 1: massive facepalm -spawn 6 short lived zerglings-
spell 2: majik box h4x -automatically gain 140 minerals
spell 3: Admin Powers -win the game-

You're right... Administrators would be OP in this DOTA

You're right... Administrators would be OP in this DOTA

I heard rumors there was terrain, is this true? Can the public preview it??