Okay so basically i have a game setup where you have a creep colony and can morph it into either a sunken or spore colony for free. Now the build time is set to 1 second meaning that it doesn't complete into morphing into a sunken or spore colony but rather stays that gelatinous mess zerg buildings become while their morphing. As such you could cancel construction at any time and it would become a creep colony again.

What i need is a trigger that detects the presence of a half built sunken or spore colony. For some reason the command unit and bring unit to a location conditions just don't seem to detect it. Tnx.

You don't have to detect the actual creation of either of these units. All you have to do is set the player's in question gas to 3. Then set the Sunken Colony cost to 1 gas, and the Spore Colony cost to 2 gas. Next make a trigger that would look something like this:

Creep Colony -> Sunken Colony

Creep Colony -> Spore Colony

Sorry that won't work, very specific amounts of gas (and mins and custom scores) are already in use in the game. Basically the only variables i have to use are death counts and switches. I've seen it done where the sunken and spore colonies are free (astrogears i think) so i know it can be done.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on May 25 2008, 6:11 pm by x1101x.

You could place a sunken/spore as far right and up as you can (as long as it is more right than any of the ones you want to test can be), and then center location on a sunken. If it is the top right sunken (you can test with burrowed units or something for another player), then they don't have a sunken.

Edit:
Apparently it doesn't work? It works with bunker defenses... Lemme try a bit more.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on May 25 2008, 6:27 pm by FaRTy1billion.

That didn't work at all. From what I understood i had to place a sunken colony further right than my creep colony that was to become a sunken one right? Then have a location that centers on a sunken colony. I placed a lurker at the one that was further right and used a trigger where if there was no lurker at the location that centers on the sunk then it displayed a message. So either this just doesn't work or i misinterpreted.

Eh. That was based on a glitch in defense maps I'd seen... It may only work with terran buildings, or when buildings are actually building (rather than morphing.) You'd build (and halt) a bunch of bunkers, and then build a complete one on the right, and the incomplete ones would do stuff.

Yeah, I don't think you can do this with morphing. I just set it to kill stuff on top of a creep colony, and morphing the creep colony doesn't make the stuff move until it is done. It'd work if you were building rather than morphing. Minerals'd be your best solution here.

Again I don't have minerals to spare, like literally theres a huge difference between a player have 5 and 8 minerals as well as gas and custom score. Like i said i've seen it done before in astrogears. Tnx anyways.

Isn't it as far left and up? tfu, I mean right and bottom!

Stop. You cant detect incomplete (in build process) buildings by command or bring, but SC still centers locations on them. You can have a sunken and a spore somewhere in the right bottom corner and constantly center location on them. When the location is centered on sunken (spore) and player does not bring sunken (spore) to the location then it is in build process.

Edit. You should test if you could detect buildings score.

Post has been edited 3 time(s), last time on May 25 2008, 6:46 pm by Wormer.

No. Center Location detects things from as far down and left, to as far up and left, to right.
Like this (but on a much larger scale):
2 4
1 3

That is what I was talking about, but apparently morphing is different from building because it still detects it as a creep colony and only as a creep colony.

Well, I always thought it was from the top left to the right bottom
Hmmm... strange... Anyway I know that is do working for protoss buildings. This could not work only for zerg building which morph from the others. I think hatchery will still be detected by center location in build process...

Heh, you can actually detect absence of creep colony during morphing (with bring action) that is how sunken in morph detected in astrogears. And if you look you see that the build time for spore colony is 2 there. It is simply detected being built and then a new creep colony placed on it's place.

Ehm, I thought we had that covered. sc checks the lowest x coordinate first. If it finds 2 or more units with the same x coordinate it will take the one with the highest unit ID (created last by triggers or in scmdraft - or placed bottom most in staredit & co.).

I used the move location detection in a map recently but I detected for hatches etc. are buildtnot morphed. So I cannot tell if it's detected as a sunken or creep colony, but I trust your testing. However I want to present an alternative way of detection:
Move a small (say 1x1) location onto the building, create a unit there (or create it in a cache and move it) and detect if the unit is there. If not, the building blocked creation/move. If the unit is in the 1x1 location it got created in the center of the large location. In both cases remove the checker unit. This won't be seen ingame.

If you have more than one creep colony you cannot simply test for it's absence. You'd have to use a binary countoff to compare the actual number of creeps with the number of last trigger loop. This will fail when a creep got killed.

The problem I see is that you have such a low build time, hypertriggers are only 8 times a game second, and I think a build time of 1 is faster than that, which may cause glitching, your best chance is to detect mineral loss(I'll explain if you want to know how) to detect how many minerals they have lost and then place based on that.

x1101x, I just tested it, and the same thing that works for terran buildings also applies to zerg buildings. The idea of putting a burrowed lurker under both a sunken and spore in the right top of the map works. When morphing, they can be the target of center view (and kill was my other test to see if it worked). Look at your triggers again, because it should work like this.
Always: center (2x2) on sunken owned by current player at anywhere.
Player 9 brings exactly 0 Zerg Lurker to (2x2): Then do whatever you want to the half-built sunken at (2x2).

I tried it and the location doesn't ever move off the top right.

Cond:
Always
Act:
Center Location 0 on Sunken Colony
Preserve // Yes, it is preserved.

Cond:
Player 1 brings exactly 0 zergling to Location 0
Act:
Kill 1 building at Location 0
Preserve

Cond:
Always
Act:
Create 1 scourge at Location 0
Kill all Scourge
Preserve

Before I set build time to 1/15, it would kill it once it finished morphing.,

Post has been edited 8 time(s), last time on May 26 2008, 5:12 pm by FaRTy1billion.

As far as I know, a morphing Creep Colony is indistinguishable from a normal one through triggers - if you examined the unit ID in the local ID table, it would still point to the Creep colony. The same goes for other Zerg buildings that are morphing into another building. If you have a finite number of creep colonies, you should be able to detect the sprite change with EUD conditions, but if the colonies are being created arbitrarily I don't think it can be done.

In general, buildings in progress with a worker actively building them don't trip the Bring condition, at least I thought so... With Terran it was when you stopped the build midway that you could detect the building.

Farty is right.

Yes it is, exept those which morph from other buildings.

Detecting both the sunken and the spore could not be done except by detecting resource change. I know no map where it is done. In Astrogears it is detecting only the sunken. Spore colony's build time is set to 2 which means it builds as normal building.

What's else?

When creep colony is morphing you can detect 0 creep colonies at that locations via bring condition.

Edit. Here is the test map proveing my words.

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That makes sense; I was wondering that since the wireframe changed.

What is that? w-i-r-e-f-r-a-m-e