What if a sin is a sin is a sin and everything is equally wrong. If you've committed a crime against god, karma, the aliens that watch over us, then you're wrong.

Thanks for making all of your intentions clear... after 2 pages. The point is that you could have clearly stated ALL of this in your initial post. How you haven't formed an exact opinion, how we are to be answering the questions you posed in a broad manner and discuss the topic broadly and then the ideas of pride. Starting a topic that is meant to be a broad discussion doesn't mean you can start the topic off with nothing but general questions that can be answered in any way.

How about we stop talking about the topic's creation and switch back to the actual topic now. Any posts after this talking about how the topic was created will be deleted.

Sorry but I can't resist pointing out all these massive contradictions. There's many more but I don't have all day. These ones aren't perfect, but the contradicting attitudes in tuxlar's posts serve my point well enough.

I'll try to let this get back to actual 'worst sin' discussions now.

I'm trying to get some sources. They're right about that much at least. But yeah. Thanks.



Anyway with pride being regarded as the main sin, what I'm wondering now is why pride is also considered a good thing from time to time. That confuses me somewhat.

Pride can be motivating factor in getting things done and standing up yourself. The things that are done are not always bad, and the importance placed on yourself does not always fail to be in proper moderation. That's my initial thought anyways.

lol?

They aren't contradictions.

So it's bad when it's not in moderation, then?

Maybe I can agree with that. But see, that's the thing that I'm confused about. What defines that moderation?

Denial of God. GOD DOESNT EXIST! Most religions seem to agree that atheism is a sin.

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Worst sin of all can not be measured I guess... There are many consequences a sin may have, murder or not.

And, Centreri, they are discussing what is the worst sin, not the existance of God...

The worst sin probably is not playing starcraft...

Yes, but they are hypocritical.

Good question, this relates to what I was saying before about where one draws the line to many things. There are numerous gray areas. I believe that the mindset of definite black/white and absolute things must be changed. Of course that's a challenge when numerous religions state that there is an absolute truth, but then what is truth anyway?

They're not hypocritical either. But I'm not gonna undo IP's request by specifying why.

Does "truth" matter to know when pride is a sin or not?

It is hypocritical if you're still coming up with sources and you expect other people to already have them.
It is hypocritical if you posted a link to a wikipedia article on the seven deadly sins when you state that the topic is not a religious discussion.

It matters when a specific religion considers pride a sin and that same religion says that everything it says is "truth". Regardless, to "know" implies "truth".

Yeah I guess so. Sin implies right and wrong. That implies truth.

But truth doesn't have to imply religion. And therefore sin can exist outside of it. But I think the problem is that when it does, defining it becomes subjective. Which makes a formal debate on this problematic, now that I think about it.



Hmm. In that case, I'll pick my definition rather than try to discuss one in general. I don't fully understand how pride can be a sin ALL the time, but I think that can't be true. I just wanted to see if anyone had an opinion on that matter. It just sounds like religious dogma to me: Putting yourself before God being the thing to be afraid of and all that.

I mean, I can understand excessive pride being bad and all, but ANY pride? Yeah. There has to be a dividing line. ANY pride can't always be bad.

The worst sin is doubting the Holy Spirit. Only sin that's unforgivable by the Catholic Church, I think.

I think you guys are being too combative on this topic..

I consider sin with a more general definition: One's personal understanding or measure of wrongdoing. Religion tries to draw a more universally accepted line between "right and wrong". With that said, I can agree with a religion's moral definition of "right and wrong". Not in a religion considering it a sin to not believe in god.


That's the unfortunate truth of how fundamental Catholicism can be. It takes a smart person to draw the line between bs and "right".


haha, i just had to say this: Look at the jedi code.

but seriously, that's for yourself to find out.
Excessive pride is a major cause of many sins and/or crimes. No pride is no intelligence, no motivation, no competition, no strength in yourself as a person. Which could possibly lead to suicide, brain problems, you name it. Kind of ironic really. You have to find your happy medium.


Edit: I just realized my SN is sin lol.

I suppose I do contradict myself a bit...ironic.
But at the same time I'm agreeing with myself, and that you must find your own personal opinion.

Sin is similar to law, the authority you let enforce it decides how bad it is, and neither sin nor law are an authority on what is moral, such an entity does not exist. I do have a question for the apologetics in the croud, if you can tell morality from immorality, even when the bible contradicts it's self, why do you need the bible at all?