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PS - Lol @ poison

oh, thanks. Well, you said something about how you were done with that idea and I freaked out and didn't read on...so yeah, laugh at me. [I don't blame you, I would've too] :rolleyes:

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That would be a little bit better. We could just say that if the player upgrades zerg weapons while he's an overlord, he's a dumbass. Plenty of maps use that system.

That's probably our best bet. Although actually, I could detect if he upgrades Zerg Flyer Weapons and refund the resources (and give him an annoying text message) so it's not so hard on noobs.

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What would really be nice and intuitive is if upgrading armor ACTUALLY upgraded the vHP's armor. As of now we have no way to increase the observer's actual armor. Feel free to shoot me down, I probably shouldn't bring this up at all, but wouldn't it be better and more intuitive if the terran vHP was a wraith (we'd have to disable attacking somehow), the protoss an observer, and the zerg a scourge? A good rebuttal to this question would be "lol no."

lol no

I'm not even sure that would be possible...

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That would be a little bit better. We could just say that if the player upgrades zerg weapons while he's an overlord, he's a dumbass. Plenty of maps use that system.

That's probably our best bet. Although actually, I could detect if he upgrades Zerg Flyer Weapons and refund the resources (and give him an annoying text message) so it's not so hard on noobs.

Sounds good.

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What would really be nice and intuitive is if upgrading armor ACTUALLY upgraded the vHP's armor. As of now we have no way to increase the observer's actual armor. Feel free to shoot me down, I probably shouldn't bring this up at all, but wouldn't it be better and more intuitive if the terran vHP was a wraith (we'd have to disable attacking somehow), the protoss an observer, and the zerg a scourge? A good rebuttal to this question would be "lol no."

lol no

I'm not even sure that would be possible...

lol ok
It would definitely be possible; I just realized that if the vhP is constantly being ordered to a location it can't attack.
But ok.

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Current Lists:

TERRAN STUFF

Building (Name): Function
Command Center (Torpedo Launcher): Lift to create 2 Scourges at your position. Build ComSat to create 3 Scourges. Build Nuke Silo to create 4 Scourges. Dies after one use.
Supply Depot (Small Armor): As long as you have at least one of these, all your non-armor buildings are invulnerable.
Refinery (Engine): Required for movement.
Barracks (Special Weapon Launcher): Lets you use your ship's "signature ability": Yamato Gun, Cloaking, or Defensive Matrix/EMP Shockwave if you are playing as a Battlcruiser, Wraith, or Science Vessel; or HALO Rocket Swarm (creates ONE clone of your ship every time you get a kill) for the Valkyrie.
Engineering Bay (Nano-Repair System): Lets you upgrade your armor. (Whenever you research Terran Infantry Weapons, your Observer's HP goes up.)
Missile Turret (Auto-Gun): Create and remove one invincible marine (turret) that attacks once underneath you every 6 seconds for each turret you have in your base
Bunker (Cockpit): If your SCV is not in the Cockpit, you can't control your ship.
Academy (FTL Drive): For each of these you have, you have a shuttle with 8 Broodlings in each. If you drop one, an animation is played, the Shuttle dies, and you are teleported where you dropped the broodling. Then after 4 minutes of "recharging", that shuttle is recreated.
Factory (Signature Weapon): Create a Vulture (costs gas only) to activate your special skill. For Battlecruiser, the skill creates a Meteor Swarm around you: Seven "Meteors" (Kakarus) come falling down to random positions (determined by JYD units) near your ship. The Wraith's skill spams Dark Templar underneath it which last for about 8 seconds. The Science Vessel's skill launches a missile towards the top of the screen. The Valkyrie can plant a Time Bomb (Psi-Emitter) under it which explodes in about five seconds. You get XP from kills from your skill. Against bosses, the skill's effects are a lot weaker (or maybe totally nonfunctional). You gain gas at a rate of 1 gas unit per Factory per second, to a cap of 200 gas. If you build a Machine Shop, you can build Tanks, which also activate your special but cost less. (Machine Shops are very expensive, though...)
Starport (Reactor): Same as supply depot, but with more life.
Armory (Weapons Array): Required for firing/Irradiate.
Science Facility (Tactical AI): You gain extra XP per kill! Create Physics Lab or Covert Ops for even MOAR bonus XP!

PROTOSS STUFF

Building (Name): Function
Nexus (Psionic Bomb): Create a probe to make an explosion beneath you that destroys all ground units underneath you. Destroyed after use.
Pylon (Power Node): Necessary to build stuff. Low life and low cost.
Assimilator (Gravitric Drive): Required for movement.
Gateway (Enhanced Psionic Link): Build unit to enable signature feat. The Carrier's feat is to instantly jump up to 8 Intercepters for a few seconds. The Scout's feat is temporary invulnerability. The Corsair's feat is Distruption Web. You can create any of the gateway units, with Zealots being the cheapest and Dark Templar being the most expensive. The more expensive units are better, because they make the duration of the feat longer (for the Scout, and Carrier), or have a shorter cooldown (for the Corsair). With the arbiter, built units stick around in your base and can be recalled to the battlefield.
Forge (Plasma Shield Matrix): Research Protoss Ground Weapons to increase your vHP's HP.
Photon Cannon (Anti-matter Cannon): Create and remove one invincible archon that attacks once underneath you every 6 seconds for each, so you need to be right on top for it to work..
Shield Battery (Reserve Shield Plasma): Every few seconds, your vHP's shields are restored to full. It takes less time for each battery you have.
Cybernetics Core (Tactical Locus): Required for attacking. For the Carrier, for each Core you have, you can have one more interceptor. If you ever have more interceptors than cores, one interceptor is killed. (feel free to dispute this)
Stargate (Warp Gate): Functions just like the Terran Academy.
Citadel of Adun (Shield Matrix): Functions just like the Supply Depot.
Fleet Beacon (Khala Link): If destroyed, complete loss of function - Must be placed in correct spot
Templar Archives (Armor Matrix): Functions just like the Citadel of Adun, but with more HP.
Robotics Facility (Psionic Weapon): Enable special skill. The Scout's skill creates explosions (Kakaru deaths) all around it for a few seconds. For the Carrier, like 25 invisible wraiths are created for him at his location for visual effect. They all travel towards the Carrier. While this is happening, a medium-sized location is centered on the carrier and every second for 5 seconds, every non-boss in the location dies in a blue explosion. After the 5 seconds are over, all the wraiths die. The Arbiter Special is - A nuke like missile (observer) comes down from the very top of the screen killing every non-boss unit in its path and when it reaches the arbiter, a large explosion is created. It will take a little while for the missile to reach you from the top of the screen, but it is worth it!

The Corsair's special is that a recall swirly black hole thing is created on your Corsair, all units on screen walk towards it, and once they get there, they (except bosses) are removed and you get the kill. This special lasts for 6 seconds, so some units need to be closer to you in order to reach the black hole.
Robotic Support Bay (Improved Psionic Weapon): Lets you create Reavers at your Robotics Facility, which also activate your skill, but cost less.
Observatory (???): No function currently.
Arbiter Tribunal (???): No function currently.

ZERG STUFF

Building (Name): Function
Hatchery (Overmind Link): Necessary for control of your zerg unit; if this dies your zerg unit is given to player 12 and is ordered to junk yard roam until you build another one. Also, this is where you build many units for the overlord and drones for all zerg.
Lair (Improved Overmind Link): Serves the same purpose as the hatchery, except it has more life.
Hive (Ultra Overmind Link): As above, but with even MOAR HP.
Spawning Pool (Thicken Skin): See Supply Depot.
Creep Colony (Circulatory Chamber): Normal function. Only useful for morphing into Sunkens/Spores.
Extractor (Air Bladder): Required for movement.
Sunken Colony (Adrenal Glands): Whenever you kill an enemy, you get a bunch of Mutalisks at your position for a few seconds.
Spore Colony (Toxic Spines): For each of these you have a lurker is created beneath you every 6 seconds and fires once.
Evolution Chamber (Chiten Enzyme Gland): Research Zerg Melee Weapons to increase your vHP's HP.
Hydra Den (Improved Thickened Skin): As Spawning Pool, but more armor.
Spire (Acid Glands): Required for firing.
Infested Command Center: (Specialized Glands): (Create a Queen from the hatchery and an Infested Command Center will replace it) Enable signature skill (Create Infested Terran from hatchery to use). The Mutalisk Skill is to create 1 weaker enemy-type mutalisk, 1 weaker enemy-type guardian, and 2 scourge to fight for you until they die. The Queen Skill is to create an Infested Terran that rushes toward an enemy unit and, when exploding, instead of killing the units it splashes, it converts them to your side. The Overlord skill is to create a dark archon inside next to the Greater Spire that you created that has all of its skills (mind control costs 150 to cast, feedback 50, maelstrom 100) to drop down to the field below. It fights for you until it dies, so you can build up many of these!
Queen's Nest (Egg Sac): Kill this (as long as it is finished) with your drone (or it might be killed by an enemy) and 10 broodlings pop out to fight for you.
Greater Spire (Special Acid Glands): Enable signature feat. Mutalisk feat is to morph into a Devourer or Guardian (takes 7 seconds to take place) and then you create zergling from your hatchery to morph back (takes 7 seconds), Queen feat is to become a hero Queen, thus enabling ensnare which costs 3 energy and expanding energy capabilities to 250. Overlord Feat is to evolve into a hero, thus increasing sight. Note that having more than one greater spire is redundant.
Ultra Den (Ultralisk Den): Click on the upgrade button and the Den will die before the upgrade finishes and a hero ultralisk will be created beneath your character.
Defiler Mound (Warp Morph): See Academy.
Nydus Canal (Tendril): No function currently

Note: I switched the Ultra Den and Defiler Mound abilities because the ultralisk ability makes more sense that way.
Tazz: What do you think about disabling the nydus canal ability and making it have the queen's nest ability and having the queen's nest have the ICC's ability (by mineral loss)? That would make use of the nydus canal and free up the ICC as a boss (or something).
Edit: Idea: After all the terran bosses are dead, each player receives a floating ICC at their base. As long as it is landed, the player gets 1 extra mineral every time any OTHER player collects a flag from the base. Or if you can think of some other function.. What do you think?
Everyone else: Can anyone think of a function for the Observatory or Arbital Tribunal?

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The lists are fine, except I think you forgot to update some of the building names... (eg. We decided to change the Starport to the large armor, but it's still called Reactor... Also, you put the Ultra den's name as Ultralisk Den...) Other than that, the Control Tower is now functionless because the Starport isn't an active ability now.

As for your idea about giving the ICC's function to the Queen's Nest and the Nest's ability to the Nydus Canal, I think it's a good one but I want to minimize the use of mineral loss detection. Idk.

As for your edit: lol no

Anyway, I've decided to use armor upgrades for vhp ugrades. It's a bit harder to do, but only a little.

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The lists are fine, except I think you forgot to update some of the building names... (eg. We decided to change the Starport to the large armor, but it's still called Reactor... Also, you put the Ultra den's name as Ultralisk Den...) Other than that, the Control Tower is now functionless because the Starport isn't an active ability now.

Thanks for catching that. fixing.....
What do you think about the control tower enabling dropship creation, which, when created, restores the attachehd starport's HP to full?

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As for your idea about giving the ICC's function to the Queen's Nest and the Nest's ability to the Nydus Canal, I think it's a good one but I want to minimize the use of mineral loss detection. Idk.

Well we should have used mineral loss for the ITT's anyways probably, just so it's instantaneous. After the map is completely finished, we should perhaps take some precautions just in case a player accidentally triggers something twice or three times in a row.

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As for your edit: lol no

ok it wasn't that great of an idea anyways

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Anyway, I've decided to use armor upgrades for vhp ugrades. It's a bit harder to do, but only a little.

Good!

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Current Lists:

Terran Building Functions

Building (Name): Function
Command Center (Torpedo Launcher): Lift to create 2 Scourges at your position. Build ComSat to create 3 Scourges. Build Nuke Silo to create 4 Scourges. Dies after one use.
Supply Depot (Small Armor): As long as you have at least one of these, all your non-armor buildings are invulnerable.
Refinery (Engine): Required for movement.
Barracks (Special Weapon Launcher): Lets you use your ship's "signature ability": Yamato Gun, Cloaking, or Defensive Matrix/EMP Shockwave if you are playing as a Battlcruiser, Wraith, or Science Vessel; or HALO Rocket Swarm (creates ONE clone of your ship every time you get a kill) for the Valkyrie.
Engineering Bay (Nano-Repair System): Lets you upgrade your armor. (Whenever you research Terran Infantry Weapons, your Observer's HP goes up.)
Missile Turret (Auto-Gun): Create and remove one invincible marine (turret) that attacks once underneath you every 6 seconds for each turret you have in your base
Bunker (Cockpit): If your SCV is not in the Cockpit, you can't control your ship.
Academy (FTL Drive): For each of these you have, you have a shuttle with 8 Broodlings in each. If you drop one, an animation is played, the Shuttle dies, and you are teleported where you dropped the broodling. Then after 4 minutes of "recharging", that shuttle is recreated.
Factory (Signature Weapon): Create a Vulture (costs gas only) to activate your special skill. For Battlecruiser, the skill creates a Meteor Swarm around you: Seven "Meteors" (Kakarus) come falling down to random positions (determined by JYD units) near your ship. The Wraith's skill spams Dark Templar underneath it which last for about 8 seconds. The Science Vessel's skill launches a missile towards the top of the screen. The Valkyrie can plant a Time Bomb (Psi-Emitter) under it which explodes in about five seconds. You get XP from kills from your skill. Against bosses, the skill's effects are a lot weaker (or maybe totally nonfunctional). You gain gas at a rate of 1 gas unit per Factory per second, to a cap of 200 gas. If you build a Machine Shop, you can build Tanks, which also activate your special but cost less. (Machine Shops are very expensive, though...)
Starport (Reinforced Armor): Same as supply depot, but with more life.
Armory (Weapons Array): Required for firing/Irradiate.
Science Facility (Tactical AI): You gain extra XP per kill! Create Physics Lab or Covert Ops for even MOAR bonus XP!

Protoss Building Functions

Building (Name): Function
Nexus (Psionic Bomb): Create a probe to make an explosion beneath you that destroys all ground units underneath you. Destroyed after use.
Pylon (Power Node): Necessary to build stuff. Low life and low cost.
Assimilator (Gravitric Drive): Required for movement.
Gateway (Enhanced Psionic Link): Build unit to enable signature feat. The Carrier's feat is to instantly jump up to 8 Intercepters for a few seconds. The Scout's feat is temporary invulnerability. The Corsair's feat is Distruption Web. You can create any of the gateway units, with Zealots being the cheapest and Dark Templar being the most expensive. The more expensive units are better, because they make the duration of the feat longer (for the Scout, and Carrier), or have a shorter cooldown (for the Corsair). With the arbiter, built units stick around in your base and can be recalled to the battlefield.
Forge (Plasma Shield Matrix): Research Protoss Ground Weapons to increase your vHP's HP.
Photon Cannon (Anti-matter Cannon): Create and remove one invincible archon that attacks once underneath you every 6 seconds for each, so you need to be right on top for it to work..
Shield Battery (Reserve Shield Plasma): Every few seconds, your vHP's shields are restored to full. It takes less time for each battery you have.
Cybernetics Core (Tactical Locus): Required for attacking. For the Carrier, for each Core you have, you can have one more interceptor. If you ever have more interceptors than cores, one interceptor is killed. (feel free to dispute this)
Stargate (Warp Gate): Functions just like the Terran Academy.
Citadel of Adun (Shield Matrix): Functions just like the Supply Depot.
Fleet Beacon (Khala Link): If destroyed, complete loss of function - Must be placed in correct spot
Templar Archives (Armor Matrix): Functions just like the Citadel of Adun, but with more HP.
Robotics Facility (Psionic Weapon): Enable special skill. The Scout's skill creates explosions (Kakaru deaths) all around it for a few seconds. For the Carrier, like 25 invisible wraiths are created for him at his location for visual effect. They all travel towards the Carrier. While this is happening, a medium-sized location is centered on the carrier and every second for 5 seconds, every non-boss in the location dies in a blue explosion. After the 5 seconds are over, all the wraiths die. The Arbiter Special is - A nuke like missile (observer) comes down from the very top of the screen killing every non-boss unit in its path and when it reaches the arbiter, a large explosion is created. It will take a little while for the missile to reach you from the top of the screen, but it is worth it!

The Corsair's special is that a recall swirly black hole thing is created on your Corsair, all units on screen walk towards it, and once they get there, they (except bosses) are removed and you get the kill. This special lasts for 6 seconds, so some units need to be closer to you in order to reach the black hole.
Robotic Support Bay (Improved Psionic Weapon): Lets you create Reavers at your Robotics Facility, which also activate your skill, but cost less.
Observatory (???): No function currently.
Arbiter Tribunal (???): No function currently.

Zerg Building Functions

Building (Name): Function
Hatchery (Overmind Link): Necessary for control of your zerg unit; if this dies your zerg unit is given to player 12 and is ordered to junk yard roam until you build another one. Also, this is where you build many units for the overlord and drones for all zerg.
Lair (Improved Overmind Link): Serves the same purpose as the hatchery, except it has more life.
Hive (Ultra Overmind Link): As above, but with even MOAR HP.
Spawning Pool (Thicken Skin): See Supply Depot.
Creep Colony (Circulatory Chamber): Normal function. Only useful for morphing into Sunkens/Spores.
Extractor (Air Bladder): Required for movement.
Sunken Colony (Adrenal Glands): Whenever you kill an enemy, you get a bunch of Mutalisks at your position for a few seconds.
Spore Colony (Toxic Spines): For each of these you have a lurker is created beneath you every 6 seconds and fires once.
Evolution Chamber (Chiten Enzyme Gland): Research Zerg Melee Weapons to increase your vHP's HP.
Hydra Den (Improved Thickened Skin): As Spawning Pool, but more armor.
Spire (Acid Glands): Required for firing.
Queen's Nest: (Specialized Glands): Enable signature skill (Click upgrade to use skill). The Mutalisk Skill is to create 1 weaker enemy-type mutalisk, 1 weaker enemy-type guardian, and 2 scourge to fight for you until they die. The Queen Skill is to create an Infested Terran that rushes toward an enemy unit and, when exploding, instead of killing the units it splashes, it converts them to your side. The Overlord skill is to create a dark archon inside next to the Greater Spire that you created that has all of its skills (mind control costs 150 to cast, feedback 50, maelstrom 100) to drop down to the field below. It fights for you until it dies, so you can build up many of these!
Greater Spire (Special Acid Glands): Enable signature feat. Mutalisk feat is to morph into a Devourer or Guardian (takes 7 seconds to take place) and then you create zergling from your hatchery to morph back (takes 7 seconds), Queen feat is to become a hero Queen, thus enabling ensnare which costs 3 energy and expanding energy capabilities to 250. Overlord Feat is to evolve into a hero, thus increasing sight. Note that having more than one greater spire is redundant.
Ultra Den (Ultralisk Egg): Click on the upgrade button and the Den will die before the upgrade finishes and a hero ultralisk will be created beneath your character.
Defiler Mound (Warp Morph): See Academy.
Nydus Canal (Egg Sac): Kill this (as long as it is finished) with your drone (or it might be killed by an enemy) and 10 broodlings pop out to fight for you. Placing COP is disabled.

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Queen's Nest: (Specialized Glands): Enable signature skill (Click upgrade to use skill). The Mutalisk Skill is to create 1 weaker enemy-type mutalisk, 1 weaker enemy-type guardian, and 2 scourge to fight for you until they die. The Queen Skill is to create an Infested Terran that rushes toward an enemy unit and, when exploding, instead of killing the units it splashes, it converts them to your side. The Overlord skill is to create a dark archon inside next to the Greater Spire that you created that has all of its skills (mind control costs 150 to cast, feedback 50, maelstrom 100) to drop down to the field below. It fights for you until it dies, so you can build up many of these!

What do you have against the ICC?

If you really don't like it, then I'll stop arguing with you (It's your map after all

) but I think the ICC would be better because we won't risk it glitching if mineral loss screws up.

Btw, I don't think that turning into a hero Overlord would be that useful if it just increases vision range...

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You should make an easter egg which lets you make a zergling. And his abilitys can turn him into a devouring one.

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Arbiter Tribunal: Stasis Bomb- all nearby non-boss enemy units are stasised, detected by mineral loss from upgrades. (if you can't stasis them, give to p12+invincible)

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Arbiter Tribunal: Stasis Bomb- all nearby non-boss enemy units are stasised, detected by mineral loss from upgrades. (if you can't stasis them, give to p12+invincible)

I reallly like the stasis idea. However it is unreliable to do unless you do it to just one at a time, or so I hear. Tassadar, what do you think about having a seperate area where a computer arbiter resides where one random unit from around the arbiter is sent when the ability is triggered? When more than one is triggered at the same time, there would have to be a queue. And how would this thing even be triggered? I was thinking that when you trigger the arbiter upgrade (it would require one gas so as to trigger the gas loss detector) it would give the tribunal to neutral for 10 seconds. And then if the player had more than one, the player could trigger the other ones right afterwards if he wanted. But how would we know which arbiter tribunal was triggered? I have no idea.

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You should make an easter egg which lets you make a zergling. And his abilitys can turn him into a devouring one.

I like the idea of having an easter egg. However your's won't work because the zergling is already being used by the overlord. Any other ideas?

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Queen's Nest: (Specialized Glands): Enable signature skill (Click upgrade to use skill). The Mutalisk Skill is to create 1 weaker enemy-type mutalisk, 1 weaker enemy-type guardian, and 2 scourge to fight for you until they die. The Queen Skill is to create an Infested Terran that rushes toward an enemy unit and, when exploding, instead of killing the units it splashes, it converts them to your side. The Overlord skill is to create a dark archon inside next to the Greater Spire that you created that has all of its skills (mind control costs 150 to cast, feedback 50, maelstrom 100) to drop down to the field below. It fights for you until it dies, so you can build up many of these!

What do you have against the ICC?

If you really don't like it, then I'll stop arguing with you (It's your map after all

) but I think the ICC would be better because we won't risk it glitching if mineral loss screws up.

Well it would just be nicer if every building was on that list on the drone. It just doesn't reallly make intuitive sense that a queen would make a building. I am not against having it, but I am against using it over another building (we could use it if we have an idea for it but it's not a big deal)

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Btw, I don't think that turning into a hero Overlord would be that useful if it just increases vision range...

Good point. The hero Overlord also gives more supply than the regular overlord, maybe we could use that to our advantage.. Well I dunno it's still not that good of a feat. Do you have any ideas?

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Well it would just be nicer if every building was on that list on the drone. It just doesn't reallly make intuitive sense that a queen would make a building. I am not against having it, but I am against using it over another building (we could use it if we have an idea for it but it's not a big deal)

Good point. You've convinced me to use the Queen's Nest now.

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I like the idea of having an easter egg. However your's won't work because the zergling is already being used by the overlord. Any other ideas?

Kakaru, maybe? idk

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Good point. The hero Overlord also gives more supply than the regular overlord, maybe we could use that to our advantage.. Well I dunno it's still not that good of a feat. Do you have any ideas?

Scrap the Overlord? It'ss going to be nigh impossible to balance, there's nothing stopping it from just building up an epic army of Hydralisks and DAs and owning everything, and upgrades don't work normally.

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I reallly like the stasis idea. However it is unreliable to do unless you do it to just one at a time, or so I hear. Tassadar, what do you think about having a seperate area where a computer arbiter resides where one random unit from around the arbiter is sent when the ability is triggered? When more than one is triggered at the same time, there would have to be a queue. And how would this thing even be triggered? I was thinking that when you trigger the arbiter upgrade (it would require one gas so as to trigger the gas loss detector) it would give the tribunal to neutral for 10 seconds. And then if the player had more than one, the player could trigger the other ones right afterwards if he wanted. But how would we know which arbiter tribunal was triggered? I have no idea.

Or just do it virtually and give the units to P12 and invuln... And I support the Stasis Bomb.

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Well it would just be nicer if every building was on that list on the drone. It just doesn't reallly make intuitive sense that a queen would make a building. I am not against having it, but I am against using it over another building (we could use it if we have an idea for it but it's not a big deal)

Good point. You've convinced me to use the Queen's Nest now.

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I like the idea of having an easter egg. However your's won't work because the zergling is already being used by the overlord. Any other ideas?

Kakaru, maybe? idk

I might have already asked this, but what do you think about a secret building? Like, an ICC? It wouldn't do anything radical.. not sure what it would do. What do you think?

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Good point. The hero Overlord also gives more supply than the regular overlord, maybe we could use that to our advantage.. Well I dunno it's still not that good of a feat. Do you have any ideas?

Scrap the Overlord? It'ss going to be nigh impossible to balance, there's nothing stopping it from just building up an epic army of Hydralisks and DAs and owning everything, and upgrades don't work normally.

Gosh, you have a really really good point. It's kind of annoying that we'd be programming a bunch of buildings for only 2 ships.. And I think it would be cool. What do you think about the overlord having only 10 supplies to start, and then he can build hives for an extra 1 supply each. That way he can have a couple ultras or a like 5 hydras. And he'll have to keep in mind that he needs a supply for making drones. And then I'm not sure that the DA ability is too overpowered, since the enemies are going to be really very weak and you have to wait like 4 minutes per DA if you want to mind control and the enemies will likely swarm the unit you MC'd and kill it almost immediately unless you get a unit on its own. And you can't mc bosses of course. and you can only upgrade the zerg ones.. And as long as we play through the map like 10 times with him, making changes every time I don't think he will be too hard to balance at all. What do you think?

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I reallly like the stasis idea. However it is unreliable to do unless you do it to just one at a time, or so I hear. Tassadar, what do you think about having a seperate area where a computer arbiter resides where one random unit from around the arbiter is sent when the ability is triggered? When more than one is triggered at the same time, there would have to be a queue. And how would this thing even be triggered? I was thinking that when you trigger the arbiter upgrade (it would require one gas so as to trigger the gas loss detector) it would give the tribunal to neutral for 10 seconds. And then if the player had more than one, the player could trigger the other ones right afterwards if he wanted. But how would we know which arbiter tribunal was triggered? I have no idea.

Or just do it virtually and give the units to P12 and invuln... And I support the Stasis Bomb.

Right, that would be much much easier albeit less cool.. I'm not even sure my way is even possible, I'm going entirely on what someone said. So yeah, let's mark the arbital tribunal down as Stasis Bomb! Thanks ForTheSwarm.

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Gosh, you have a really really good point. It's kind of annoying that we'd be programming a bunch of buildings for only 2 ships.. And I think it would be cool. What do you think about the overlord having only 10 supplies to start, and then he can build hives for an extra 1 supply each. That way he can have a couple ultras or a like 5 hydras. And he'll have to keep in mind that he needs a supply for making drones. And then I'm not sure that the DA ability is too overpowered, since the enemies are going to be really very weak and you have to wait like 4 minutes per DA if you want to mind control and the enemies will likely swarm the unit you MC'd and kill it almost immediately unless you get a unit on its own. And you can't mc bosses of course. and you can only upgrade the zerg ones.. And as long as we play through the map like 10 times with him, making changes every time I don't think he will be too hard to balance at all. What do you think?

Not sure about that, but I agree that it's at least worth /trying/ to get the Ovie in. Giving him low Control would help a lot (and unfacepalm his feat at the same time).

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Right, that would be much much easier albeit less cool.. I'm not even sure my way is even possible, I'm going entirely on what someone said. So yeah, let's mark the arbital tribunal down as Stasis Bomb! Thanks ForTheSwarm.

Great! *adds* Now we almost have all our buildings function-ed! (Btw, if you have a few more ideas like that FTS, I'm going to have to stop calling you ForTheLose.

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And for the Observetory, how about it dies (after it finishes warping if the build times are non-instant) and turns into a ComSat Station? And for the Control Tower, how about just making it so that it full-heals the Starport it's attached to and then dies?

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I might have already asked this, but what do you think about a secret building? Like, an ICC? It wouldn't do anything radical.. not sure what it would do. What do you think?

Maybe, but I think we should hold off on easter eggs until we get everything else done.

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(if you can't stasis them, give to p12+invincible)

I already suggested that.

I was thinking of Observatory->Comsat, but is there anything worthwhile to scan in the first place?

If there's cloaked units, it could give you detection.

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Not sure about that, but I agree that it's at least worth /trying/ to get the Ovie in. Giving him low Control would help a lot (and unfacepalm his feat at the same time).
sounds good!

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And for the Observetory, how about it dies (after it finishes warping if the build times are non-instant) and turns into a ComSat Station? And for the Control Tower, how about just making it so that it full-heals the Starport it's attached to and then dies?

As for the observatory, ForTheSwarm has a good point, there really is nothing worth comsatting.. Oh and the observatory should be related to the Robotics Facility because I think that the Robotics Support Bay should not be buildable unless you have a robotics facility, considering it is useless without. I was thinking, and what about it makes an observer buildable at the robotics facility and you can spend like 50 of your special gas to build an observer. When the observer is finished building, it is destroyed and you get 10 minerals. So basically the observatory lets you convert special gas+time into minerals. It's not an amazing idea tho.. better than some things tho.

And then as for the control tower, if there is more than one starport with a control tower attached how will we know which one triggered? I don't think this idea is even possible any more! darn that would have been cool.. Oh, just make it so that the starport can make science vessels and center the location on the science vessel when it's done building. Duh.... :><:

And I don't think the control tower should die after each use. It is kind of cool that once you build the control tower, if the starport dies you can still attach your new starport to it. Agree?

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I might have already asked this, but what do you think about a secret building? Like, an ICC? It wouldn't do anything radical.. not sure what it would do. What do you think?

Maybe, but I think we should hold off on easter eggs until we get everything else done.

goood poinnttt.. you're so right.

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~~I'm really sorry about this, madroc, but I'm leaving SEN because it's getting too depressing when people sarcasticly flamefuck me. I hope you can do this without me or find someone else to help.~~
Well, scratch that, I've calmed down and I'll at least stick around long enough to finish this map.

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Glad to hear you're feeling better. Sorry for those 4 pms I sent you loll
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Terran Building Functions

Building (Name): Function
Command Center (Torpedo Launcher): Lift to create 2 Scourges at your position. Build ComSat to create 3 Scourges. Build Nuke Silo to create 4 Scourges. Dies after one use.
Supply Depot (Small Armor): As long as you have at least one of these, all your non-armor buildings are invulnerable.
Refinery (Engine): Required for movement.
Barracks (Special Weapon Launcher): Lets you use your ship's "signature ability": Yamato Gun, Cloaking, or Defensive Matrix/EMP Shockwave if you are playing as a Battlcruiser, Wraith, or Science Vessel; or HALO Rocket Swarm (creates ONE clone of your ship every time you get a kill) for the Valkyrie.
Engineering Bay (Nano-Repair System): Lets you upgrade your armor. (Whenever you research Terran Infantry Weapons, your Observer's HP goes up.)
Missile Turret (Auto-Gun): Create and remove one invincible marine (turret) that attacks once underneath you every 6 seconds for each turret you have in your base
Bunker (Cockpit): If your SCV is not in the Cockpit, you can't control your ship.
Academy (FTL Drive): For each of these you have, you have a shuttle with 8 Broodlings in each. If you drop one, an animation is played, the Shuttle dies, and you are teleported where you dropped the broodling. Then after 4 minutes of "recharging", that shuttle is recreated.
Factory (Signature Weapon): Create a Vulture (costs gas only) to activate your special skill. For Battlecruiser, the skill creates a Meteor Swarm around you: Seven "Meteors" (Kakarus) come falling down to random positions (determined by JYD units) near your ship. The Wraith's skill spams Dark Templar underneath it which last for about 8 seconds. The Science Vessel's skill launches a missile towards the top of the screen. The Valkyrie can plant a Time Bomb (Psi-Emitter) under it which explodes in about five seconds. You get XP from kills from your skill. Against bosses, the skill's effects are a lot weaker (or maybe totally nonfunctional). You gain gas at a rate of 1 gas unit per Factory per second, to a cap of 200 gas. If you build a Machine Shop, you can build Tanks, which also activate your special but cost less. (Machine Shops are very expensive, though...)
Starport (Reinforced Armor): Same as supply depot, but with more life. Building a control tower enables the building of Science Vessels, which, when built, increases the starport that built it to full.
Armory (Weapons Array): Required for firing/Irradiate.
Science Facility (Tactical AI): You gain extra XP per kill! Create Physics Lab or Covert Ops for even MOAR bonus XP!

Protoss Building Functions

Building (Name): Function
Nexus (Psionic Bomb): Create a probe to make an explosion beneath you that destroys all ground units underneath you. Destroyed after use.
Pylon (Power Node): Necessary to build stuff. Low life and low cost.
Assimilator (Gravitric Drive): Required for movement.
Gateway (Enhanced Psionic Link): Build unit to enable signature feat. The Carrier's feat is to instantly jump up to 8 Intercepters for a few seconds. The Scout's feat is temporary invulnerability. The Corsair's feat is Distruption Web. You can create any of the gateway units, with Zealots being the cheapest and Dark Templar being the most expensive. The more expensive units are better, because they make the duration of the feat longer (for the Scout, and Carrier), or have a shorter cooldown (for the Corsair). With the arbiter, built units stick around in your base and can be recalled to the battlefield.
Forge (Plasma Shield Matrix): Research Protoss Ground Weapons to increase your vHP's HP.
Photon Cannon (Anti-matter Cannon): Create and remove one invincible archon that attacks once underneath you every 6 seconds for each, so you need to be right on top for it to work..
Shield Battery (Reserve Shield Plasma): Every few seconds, your vHP's shields are restored to full. It takes less time for each battery you have.
Cybernetics Core (Tactical Locus): Required for attacking. For the Carrier, for each Core you have, you can have one more interceptor. If you ever have more interceptors than cores, one interceptor is killed. (feel free to dispute this)
Stargate (Warp Gate): Functions just like the Terran Academy.
Citadel of Adun (Shield Matrix): Functions just like the Supply Depot.
Fleet Beacon (Khala Link): If destroyed, complete loss of function - Must be placed in correct spot
Templar Archives (Armor Matrix): Functions just like the Citadel of Adun, but with more HP.
Robotics Facility (Psionic Weapon): Enable special skill. The Scout's skill creates explosions (Kakaru deaths) all around it for a few seconds. For the Carrier, like 25 invisible wraiths are created for him at his location for visual effect. They all travel towards the Carrier. While this is happening, a medium-sized location is centered on the carrier and every second for 5 seconds, every non-boss in the location dies in a blue explosion. After the 5 seconds are over, all the wraiths die. The Arbiter Special is - A nuke like missile (observer) comes down from the very top of the screen killing every non-boss unit in its path and when it reaches the arbiter, a large explosion is created. It will take a little while for the missile to reach you from the top of the screen, but it is worth it!

The Corsair's special is that a recall swirly black hole thing is created on your Corsair, all units on screen walk towards it, and once they get there, they (except bosses) are removed and you get the kill. This special lasts for 6 seconds, so some units need to be closer to you in order to reach the black hole.
Robotic Support Bay (Improved Psionic Weapon): Costly building. Lets you create Reavers at your Robotics Facility, which also activate your skill, but cost less.
Observatory (Psionic Charger): Pretty cheap building that makes it so that your special gas meter goes up 1 extra per second per observatory.
Arbiter Tribunal (Stasis Bomb): Upgrade Stasis to make one enemy non-building unit around you owned by player 12 for 20 seconds. Then all Arbital Tribunals in your base are also given to player 12. After 20 seconds they are given back. This cool-down time is reduced by having more Tribunals in your ship (example having two makes it 10 seconds, having 3 makes it 6.6 seconds, having 4 makes it 5 seconds and having 5 makes it 4 seconds). Bosses are only affected for 0-2 seconds instead of 20. (random).

Zerg Building Functions

Building (Name): Function
Hatchery (Overmind Link): Necessary for control of your zerg unit; if this dies your zerg unit is given to player 12 and is ordered to junk yard roam until you build another one. Also, this is where you build many units for the overlord and drones for all zerg. Also provides one more supply for Overlord's use.
Lair (Improved Overmind Link): Serves the same purpose as the hatchery, except it has more life.
Hive (Ultra Overmind Link): As above, but with even MOAR HP.
Spawning Pool (Thicken Skin): See Supply Depot.
Creep Colony (Circulatory Chamber): Normal function. Only useful for morphing into Sunkens/Spores.
Extractor (Air Bladder): Required for movement.
Sunken Colony (Adrenal Glands): Whenever you kill an enemy, you get a bunch of Mutalisks at your position for a few seconds.
Spore Colony (Toxic Spines): For each of these you have a lurker is created beneath you every 6 seconds and fires once.
Evolution Chamber (Chiten Enzyme Gland): Research Zerg Melee Weapons to increase your vHP's HP.
Hydra Den (Improved Thickened Skin): As Spawning Pool, but more armor.
Spire (Acid Glands): Required for firing.
Queen's Nest: (Specialized Glands): Enable signature skill (Click upgrade to use skill). The Mutalisk Skill is to create 1 weaker enemy-type mutalisk, 1 weaker enemy-type guardian, and 2 scourge to fight for you until they die. The Queen Skill is to create an Infested Terran that rushes toward an enemy unit and, when exploding, instead of killing the units it splashes, it converts them to your side. The Overlord skill is to create a dark archon inside next to the Greater Spire that you created that has all of its skills (mind control costs 150 to cast, feedback 50, maelstrom 100) to drop down to the field below. It fights for you until it dies, so you can build up many of these!
Greater Spire (Special Acid Glands): Enable signature feat. Mutalisk feat is to morph into a Devourer or Guardian (takes 7 seconds to take place) and then you create mutalisk from your hatchery to morph back (takes 7 seconds), Queen feat is to become a hero Queen, thus enabling ensnare which costs 3 energy and expanding energy capabilities to 250. Overlord Feat is to be given two Hives somewhere in the map, thus allowing him to create 2 more supplies worth of troups (kind of lame ability, no other ideas tho). Note that having more than one greater spire is redundant.
Ultra Den (Ultralisk Egg): Click on the upgrade button and the Den will die before the upgrade finishes and a hero ultralisk (Taurasque) will be created beneath your character. You can only have one Ultralisk Den or ultralisk at a time.
Defiler Mound (Warp Morph): See Academy.
Nydus Canal (Egg Sac): Kill this (as long as it is finished) with your drone (or it might be killed by an enemy) and 10 broodlings pop out to fight for you. Placing COP is disabled.

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You can only have one Ultralisk Den or ultralisk at a time.

The main reason is because when you upgrade from an ultralisk den in your base, if you have more than one ultra den there is no way to know which one upgraded and thus which one to destroy. That is unless we detected mineral gain, which I don't even want to go into. Also it could get a little insane if you had an army of Ultralisks goin'. And flavorwise we could say that Taurrasque has only one home or Taurrasque is already on the battlefield and then refund the drone and the minerals.

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Overlord Feat is to be given two Hives somewhere in the map, thus allowing him to create 2 more supplies worth of troups (kind of lame ability, no other ideas tho).

It's just an idea, but it's better than the other one for sure.

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(Psionic Charger): Pretty cheap building that makes it so that your special gas meter goes up 1 extra per second per observatory.

Better than any other idea mentioned imo, definitely open to something else tho.

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(Stasis Bomb): Upgrade Stasis to make one enemy non-building unit around you owned by player 12 for 20 seconds. Then all Arbital Tribunals in your base are also given to player 12. After 20 seconds they are given back. This cool-down time is reduced by having more Tribunals in your ship (example having two makes it 10 seconds, having 3 makes it 6.6 seconds, having 4 makes it 5 seconds and having 5 makes it 4 seconds). Bosses are only affected for 0-2 seconds instead of 20. (random).

A little different than originally suggested but I like it better. Cool? Oh and to do this, all boss units would be given to the computer player from neutral every two seconds, preserve trigger.

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Building a control tower enables the building of Science Vessels, which, when built, increases the starport that built it to full.

It would be much more intuitive to make a dropship trigger it instead of a sci vessel (so the player knows that he just needs a control tower to create the dropship) but unfortunately it would be hard to make it so that it distinguishes from the dropship that is already there. One easy way would be to constantly center a location on dropship as long as there is exactly one there, and if there are two, it teleports the dropship at the location to random location and uses the other one that's there. But that means we'd have to use six extra locations. Any other ideas for how we could make it be dropship instead of sci vessel that triggers it?

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The main reason is because when you upgrade from an ultralisk den in your base, if you have more than one ultra den there is no way to know which one upgraded and thus which one to destroy. That is unless we detected mineral gain, which I don't even want to go into. Also it could get a little insane if you had an army of Ultralisks goin'. And flavorwise we could say that Taurrasque has only one home or Taurrasque is already on the battlefield and then refund the drone and the minerals.

Or you could give the ultra caverns one at a time and see if the player's gas jumps up.

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It's just an idea, but it's better than the other one for sure.

Well... If he's limited to 10 supply at the start (one from his Hatchery, one from the Hive [the one we give to Zerg players so they can use their whole tech tree], and eight from himself) like you suggested a while ago, then turning him into a hero Overlord would be fine for his feat.

And, random idea: Maybe upgrading Zerg Flyer Weapons gives him free Control?

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Better than any other idea mentioned imo, definitely open to something else tho.

Agreed, I support.

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A little different than originally suggested but I like it better. Cool? Oh and to do this, all boss units would be given to the computer player from neutral every two seconds, preserve trigger.

Agreed, I support.

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It would be much more intuitive to make a dropship trigger it instead of a sci vessel (so the player knows that he just needs a control tower to create the dropship) but unfortunately it would be hard to make it so that it distinguishes from the dropship that is already there. One easy way would be to constantly center a location on dropship as long as there is exactly one there, and if there are two, it teleports the dropship at the location to random location and uses the other one that's there. But that means we'd have to use six extra locations. Any other ideas for how we could make it be dropship instead of sci vessel that triggers it?

Change the player's Dropship in their base into an Overlord for the Terrans?

Btw, how are we going to detect when Mr. Wraith goes cloaky? Using Send All Units on Random Suicide Missions and detecting a unit moving wouldn't work, because of the player's buildings... The Scourge or whatever would try to attack them.

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Look at this map and its triggers. Maybe you can figue out how Kaias did it.

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The main reason is because when you upgrade from an ultralisk den in your base, if you have more than one ultra den there is no way to know which one upgraded and thus which one to destroy. That is unless we detected mineral gain, which I don't even want to go into. Also it could get a little insane if you had an army of Ultralisks goin'. And flavorwise we could say that Taurrasque has only one home or Taurrasque is already on the battlefield and then refund the drone and the minerals.

Or you could give the ultra caverns one at a time and see if the player's gas jumps up.

Exactly, detecting mineral gain

I don't even want to think about it right now..... loll

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It's just an idea, but it's better than the other one for sure.

Well... If he's limited to 10 supply at the start (one from his Hatchery, one from the Hive [the one we give to Zerg players so they can use their whole tech tree], and eight from himself) like you suggested a while ago, then turning him into a hero Overlord would be fine for his feat.

I think that hero overlords give 30 supply. That would be make the overlord ridiculously overpowered!

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And, random idea: Maybe upgrading Zerg Flyer Weapons gives him free Control?

Again, ridiculously overpowered lol. Imagine, 400 zerglings

Here's another idea, whenever he upgrades flying attack, he gets one hive, and thus one more supply. Good idea huh! We should probably only have about 50 upgrades for each, maybe less.

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It would be much more intuitive to make a dropship trigger it instead of a sci vessel (so the player knows that he just needs a control tower to create the dropship) but unfortunately it would be hard to make it so that it distinguishes from the dropship that is already there. One easy way would be to constantly center a location on dropship as long as there is exactly one there, and if there are two, it teleports the dropship at the location to random location and uses the other one that's there. But that means we'd have to use six extra locations. Any other ideas for how we could make it be dropship instead of sci vessel that triggers it?

Change the player's Dropship in their base into an Overlord for the Terrans?

That.. would work! I suggest shuttle instead, it's prettier. OK I will change OP (when I get around to it).[/quote]

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Btw, how are we going to detect when Mr. Wraith goes cloaky? Using Send All Units on Random Suicide Missions and detecting a unit moving wouldn't work, because of the player's buildings... The Scourge or whatever would try to attack them.

Player 8 is unallied to the wraith player only and has a single corsair. Then he goes on random suicide mission. OH SHIT that won't work, the wraith is invulnerable. Shit!!!! Well ... create marine to cloak/uncloak?

I don't want to do that, the button is so much cooler. That suckkksss..

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