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Madroc
Time: Aug 10 2008, 7:36 am

Post #1 Madroc Aug 10 2008, 7:36 am

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Build-A-Ship Workshop is an RPG. All of the characters are flying ships that you can add buildings to to give your ship a function. The map is Starcraft themed. The gameplay will be sort of like a defense, except that each player gets just a ship and there are not very MANY enemies, just some strong ones, and you have to push ahead through the oncoming enemies and overtake bases to get to the final boss and win. One goal is to make re-playability huge. Here's the story:

After her depart from the soon-to-be-cerebrate-free Shakuras, Kerrigan has one more task to accomplish before she can lead the zerg. She brings together a band of mercenaries (that's you) and travels to a huge space station orbiting the planet, where she has learned that a newly appointed cerebrate hides. Occupying the planet is a small Zerg swarm controlled by the cerebrate, a small society of rogue Protoss appointed to defend the cerebrate in case of detection (that would be NOW.), and a larger group of exiled Terran hired to pose as "nomads" to cover up both the Zerg and Protoss population. Both the Terran and the Protoss will need to be destroyed before you can complete Kerrigan's quest - destroying the cerebrate.

But that's not really what matters. At the beginning of the map you are asked to choose a ship to pilot from 11 choices:

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After you choose your ship, you are center viewed on a cutout of your ship (see below for some example cutouts) and you receive a worker (or several for zerg ships) and a dropship to move your worker(s) around if they are stuck and you need to assemble the basic pieces: the engine(s), the firing mechanism(s) and the control system. This involves building particular buildings on top of sprites (or in the case of the zerg ships you can build the basic components anywhere and for the carrier you can build your firing mechanism anywhere). After you fill in all of the sprites your ship is operational and you can start the game (except for terran ships which you have to put your scv in the control system/cockpit (bunker) to start driving).

Now you go through the map killing enemies all the way. You cannot harm the zerg buildings until the Terran and Protoss bosses are all dead, basically. For the most part you can roam wherever you like, though. After killing a substantial amount of enemies some supplies (in the form of mineral crystals) will appear at home base. Go there to collect 10 minerals for yourself and 7-x minerals (where x is the number of total players in the map) for all of your allies. You can wait to collect these supplies until many build up if you want to. Home base is a pretty good place to hang out to gain minerals for a while anyways because small amounts enemies will constantly be created and ordered to attack there. There is no free-heal button in the game so frugalness with health is an issue. The game will be tested so that it is not an issue that will ruin your life, tho. For an example, you might think "OK, I just repaired all my buildings to full health; I think I'll go have some fun outside base for a while." Edit: This is not necessarily true anymore.. in fact there probably will be a heal button you can go to.

Here is a spoiler of all the different ship cutouts:

Battlecruiser:

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Wraith:

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Science Vessel:

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Valkyrie

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Scout:

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Arbiter:

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Carrier:

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Corsair:

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Mutalisk

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Overlord:

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Queen:

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As for customization of your ship, every building that you could normally create with your worker in Starcraft adds a function to your ship. We already discussed the three buildings necessary for movement, attacking, and controlling at all. Here is a list of every building and all of their functions inside the ship. Experimenting will be one of the map's fine points as none of these functions will be told to the players except the 3 necessities which are Refinery, Armory, and Bunker + the Protoss 3/Zerg 3 that are required. None of the buildings except the base 3 need to be put in a specific spot for any race.

All buildings are very expensive to build (excluding armors like the supply depot), but have quite a bit of life. Players start with the three necessary buildings (for free). You can go back to the very beginning of the map to heal all buildings in your ship (maybe), but as the game progresses (enemies get harder, distance between you and the beginning increases, and minerals become more abundant (kill scores go up)), that will become a pretty big hassle compared to just building armors (i.e supply depot) unless you have FTL Drive(s) (academy) or the Zerg/Protoss equivalents.

Building Descriptions

Terran Building Functions

Building (Name): Function
Command Center (Torpedo Launcher): Lift to create 2 missiles (science vessels) at your position. Build ComSat to create 3 missiles instead. Build Nuke Silo to create 4 missiles instead. Dies after one use, but any addons stay in your base to use again (or kill if you want the space instead). Each missile travels towards the nearest air unit and, once there, explodes and releases 3 scourges.
Supply Depot (Small Armor): Whenever your vHP dies (see the paragraph after these lists for info), a guardian is spawned in a completely random place in your base and attacks the building it is closest to. As long as you have at least one of these, if the spawned guardian is in range to hit this instead of another building, it will. So if you have one armor at both ends of the ship, they will only hit these. Very cheap compared to other buildings.
Refinery (Engine): Required for movement.
Barracks (Special Weapon Launcher): Lets you use your ship's "signature ability": Yamato Gun, Cloaking, or Defensive Matrix/EMP Shockwave if you are playing as a Battlcruiser, Wraith, or Science Vessel; or HALO Rocket Swarm (creates ONE clone of your ship every time you get a kill) for the Valkyrie.
Engineering Bay (Auto-Gun): Create and remove one invincible marine (turret) that attacks once underneath you every 6 seconds for each bay you have in your base
Missile Turret (Missile Tube): Create and remove one invincible goliath (turret) that attacks once underneath you every 12 seconds for each turret you have in your base
Bunker (Cockpit): If your SCV is not in the Cockpit, you can't control your ship.
Academy (FTL Drive): For each of these you have, you have a shuttle with 8 Broodlings in each. If you drop one, an animation is played, the Shuttle dies, and you are teleported where you dropped the broodling. Then after 4 minutes of "recharging", that shuttle is recreated.
Factory (Distinctive Weapon): Create a Vulture (costs gas only) to activate your special skill. For Battlecruiser, the skill creates a Meteor Swarm around you: Seven "Meteors" (Kakarus) come falling down to random positions (determined by JYD units) near your ship. The Wraith's skill spams Dark Templar underneath it which last for about 8 seconds. The Science Vessel's skill creates a hallucinated battlecruiser. The Valkyrie can plant a Time Bomb (Psi-Emitter) under it which explodes in about five seconds. You get XP from kills from your skill. Against bosses, the skill's effects are a lot weaker (or maybe totally nonfunctional). You gain gas at a rate of 1 gas unit per Factory per second, to a cap of 200 gas. If you build a Machine Shop, you can build Tanks, which also activate your special but cost less. (Machine Shops are very expensive, though...)
Starport (Reinforced Armor): Same as supply depot, but with more life. Building a control tower enables the building of Dropships, which, when built, increases the starport that built it to full. Also cheap but not nearly as cheap as the supply depot.
Armory (Weapons Array): Required for firing/Irradiate. Also includes weapon upgrades (no defense upgrades) at a cheap but escalating cost (compared to building price) Also lets you upgrade your defense. (Whenever you research Terran Infantry Weapons, your Observer's HP goes up.) The upgrade is also cheap compared to building price, but escalates with each upgrade.
Science Facility (Tactical AI): You gain extra XP per kill! Create Physics Lab or Covert Ops for even MOAR bonus XP!

Protoss Building Functions

Building (Name): Function
Nexus (Psionic Bomb): Create a probe to make an explosion beneath you that destroys all ground units underneath you. Destroyed after use.
Pylon (Power Node): Necessary to build stuff. Low life and low cost.
Assimilator (Gravitic Drive): Required for movement.
Gateway (Psionic Link): Build unit to enable signature feat. You can build a zealot, dragoon, high templar, or dark templar, with each unit having a slightly better effect. The Scout's feat is that whenever you move your scout, you instead teleport in that direction, with zealot being a very short distance (mainly used in combat to dodge and attack faster) and dark templar being a long distance (so you can traverse great distances). The Corsair's feat is Distruption Web, with zealot allowing you to cast it 1 time and dark templar allowing you to cast it 4. The carrier's effect is to replace all interceptors with a different unit for 10 seconds. Building a zealot replaces them with scouts, building a dragoon replaces them with arbiters, building a high templar replaces them with corsairs, and building a dark templar replaces them with carriers (each having 8 interceptors). With the arbiter, built units actually stick around in your base and can be recalled to the battlefield (templars can be morphed into archons as normal).
Forge (Anti-matter Cannon): Creates and removes one invincible zealot that attacks once underneath you every 6 seconds for each, so you need to be right on top for it to work..
Photon Cannon (Photon Cannon): Creates and removes one invincible dragoon that attacks once underneath you every 6 seconds for each.
Shield Battery (Armor Grid): Functions just like the Supply Depot. Cheap cheap cheap.
Cybernetics Core (Weapons Locus): Required for attacking. For the Carrier, for each Core you have, you can have one more interceptor. If you ever have more interceptors than cores, one interceptor is killed. Also upgrades air weapons and vHP health (click air armor). Upgrading vHP health makes all interceptors that come out of the carrier also have less health.
Stargate (Psionic Weapon): Create a scout to activate special skill. The Scout's skill creates explosions (Kakaru deaths) all around it for a few seconds. For the Carrier, a recall swirly black hole thing is created on your Carrier, all units on screen walk towards it, and once they get there, except bosses they are removed and you get the kill. This special lasts for 6 seconds, so some units need to be closer to you in order to reach the black hole. The Arbiter Special is that when you create a scout, it gets enough energy (200) to cast stasis (which costs 200). The Corsair's special is that when it's triggered it begins to make observers (6 a second and they just appear as a blur to you) and all observers are ordered to the closest enemy. When four observers get there, the target is changed to the next closest enemy, but those four observers stay there. After like 7 seconds of changing targets, there should be several enemies that have 4 observers over them, and at that time everything under all observers is killed, so depending on how close your enemies are, you could probably kill like 5-10 separate guys or thereabouts.
Citadel of Adun (Atomic Missile Launcher): A sort of expensive building that when you activate the leg enhancement upgrade, it creates an invincible kakaru for you. You can move the kakaru to wherever you want, and then you click the leg enhancement upgrade again. When you do, the citadel of adun dies and a scout travels from your ship to the kakaru. Once it gets to your kakaru, it explodes into a mass of mutalisks that blink really fast (so they attack really fast and it's hellish).
Fleet Beacon (Hyperwarp Gate): Functions just like the Terran Academy.
Templar Archives (Armor Matrix): Functions just like the Citadel of Adun, but with more HP. Cheap. Just not cheap cheap cheap lol.
Robotics Facility (Solar Converter): Gives you 1 mineral every second (so it repays itself after about 17 minutes), or you can make a reaver to make it switch so that it gives you 1 gas a second (for the gateway) or you can make an observer so that it switches to give you 1 supply a second (for the stargate). Or you can make a shuttle to make it go back to making minerals.
Robotic Support Bay (Reaver Control Dish): For each Robotics Facility you have, you get one Reaver; if a Robotics Bay dies, a random Reaver dies, and if a Reaver dies, a random Robotics Facility dies. Scarab Damage and Reaver Capacity upgrades are available. Limit 3.
Observatory (Wing Control Array): For each of these you have, a mojo scout is made to fight for you. If a mojo dies, a cannon in your base dies, and if a forge dies, a mojo dies. Limit 3.
Arbiter Tribunal (Khala Link): If destroyed, complete loss of function - Must be placed in correct spot

Zerg Building Functions

Building (Name): Function
Hatchery (Overmind Link): Necessary for control of your zerg unit; if this dies your zerg unit is given to player 12 and is ordered to junk yard roam until you build another one. Also, this is where you build many units for the overlord and drones for all zerg. Also provides one more supply for Overlord's use.
Lair (Improved Overmind Link): Serves the same purpose as the hatchery, except it has more life. Cheap.
Hive (Ultimate Overmind Link): As above, but with even MOAR HP. Cheap.
Spawning Pool (Protective Membrane): See Supply Depot. Cheeeeeeeeep
Creep Colony (Circulatory Chamber): Provides creep. Morphs into Sunkens/Spores.
Extractor (Air Bladder): Required for movement.
Spore Colony (Toxic Sludge): For each of these you have an invincible scourge is created beneath you every 12 seconds and goes towards the strongest enemy in screen.
Sunken Colony (Toxic Spines): For each of these you have a lurker is created beneath you every 12 seconds and fires once.
Evolution Chamber (Toxic Spit): For each of these you have an invincible hydra is created beneath you every 6 seconds and fires once.
Hydra Den (Protective Cell Wall): As Spawning Pool, but more armor. Chep.
Spire (Acid Glands): Required for firing. Also research your ship weapons and ship vHP here.
Queen's Nest: (Specialized Glands): Enable signature skill (Click upgrade to use skill). Mutalisk special: You have two different buttons you can press. One creates an infested terran that you cannot control that goes towards the nearest ground unit and converts it to your side. The other creates a scourge that you cannot control that goes towards the nearest AIR unit and converts it to your side. Overlord special: You have 3 different buttons you can press. One makes a mutalisk for you, another makes a guardian for you, and the other makes devourer for you. Queen special: You have 1 button you can press. It makes a dark archon for you with 250 energy (enough to cast mind control once) and they fight for you until they die, so you can build up a bunch of them if you want.
Greater Spire (Special Acid Glands): Enable signature feat. Mutalisk feat is to morph into a Devourer or Guardian (takes 7 seconds to take place) and then you create mutalisk from your hatchery to morph back (takes 7 seconds), Queen feat is enabling ensnare and parasite. Overlord Feat is to have an infested kerrigan (when it dies, it is automatically recreated inside the overlord). Note that having more than one greater spire is redundant. In addition, the greater spire has all functions the regular spire has.
Ultra Den (Torrasque Egg): Click on the upgrade button and the Den will die before the upgrade finishes and a hero ultralisk (Taurasque) will be created beneath your character. There can be only one torrasque in play at a time (only one player can have one).
Defiler Mound (Warp Morph): See Academy.
Nydus Canal (Egg Sac): Kill this (as long as it is finished) with your drone (or it might be killed by an enemy) and 10 broodlings pop out to fight for you. Placing a copy is disabled.

Your worker deals a good amount of damage, so if you need to kill a building that's in the way, it's possible. But seriously, what a waste of minerals...

It uses vHP. At any given point there is 1 observer with around 20 life under your ship that is constantly ordered to your ship. Whenever that unit dies, a random building of your's takes 50 damage (the building is chosen by randomizing switches) and another small unit is created to take your place. Obviously when a building takes enough hits it dies. If you are terran, then you can repair your buildings (although if you aren't in your cockpit, you can't drive...), if you are protoss, your shields can regenerate some of the damage, and if you are Zerg, you will eventually regenerate all of the damage. If your building dies, then your ship loses that function, so if you lose your supply depots, you can't move, if you lose your armory, you can't fire, and if your Fleet Beacon dies, you lose all control of your ship until you make another one. The same is true for all the other buildings. Note - if the new building is one of the basic three, it will need to be put in the correct spot. The beauty of the "armor" building is that it takes all the damage so there is no risk of your stuff dying, only your armor. Once every one of your buildings is dead, your ship becomes vulnerable so guys can attack it. So you're basically screwed at that point unless you make another building, in which case yeah you could make a come back.

Your ship's damage can be upgraded at the Cybernetics Core or the Armory or Spire. Your ship's armor is upgraded at the Engineering Bay for Terran, Forge for Protoss, or Evolution Chamber for Zerg (Yes your vHP unit may be able take a number of hits). A message is created every upgrade such as "You ship's armor has been upgrade to iron." or "Your ship's armor has been upgraded to steel." These messages are triggered by mineral loss detection. And you can increase your turret damage and other units you might have created with upgrades as well. Upgrades are much, much cheaper than actual buildings and will be a huge part of the game.

This idea is originally based off of this - I noticed earlier the hyperdrive motivator has been damaged... (my idea)

Progress:
Triggers - 85% (as of 09/30/09, all building have been coded, as has most everything else!)
Terrain - 85%
Testing - 50% (we'll be testing as we go)
Concepting - 95%
Total - 80%

Many thanks to TassadarZeratul for being my partner in crime for this map!
Also thanks to Kyleis1337, he helped a little.

Post ideas/commentary/suggestions.

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Post #2 KyleIs1337 Aug 10 2008, 7:37 am

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The result is KrayZee's avatar?

Also, the sprites ownership should be changed to player 12 so that they aren't all red.

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Post #3 Madroc Aug 10 2008, 7:48 am

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Notes for teh Map Makers
Old building functions (edited out 3-21-09):

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CC - Torpedo - Lift to create 2 scourges that are ordered to attack towards the top of the map and are removed after 7 seconds (dies after 1st use)
Supp Dep - Engine - Required for Movement - Must be placed in correct spot
Refinery - None
Barracks - Enable Signiture Feat (The terran feats are Yamato Cannon (one shot kill in most situations, but costs 250 energy), cloaking (costs 235 energy to cast and drains 1 energy every game second), and defensive matrix + EMP shockwave (Each cost 125)). For each barracks you have, a burrowed defiler is created for you in a remote part of the map every 2 seconds, thus increasing your supply by 2. The more Barracks you have the faster it will go up, so if you have 2 barracks your supply goes up 4 every 2 seconds. There is a cap off for how many defilers you can have at 125, thus making your zerg supply be in the red at 250. Then you can create a medic for 0 minerals. If you have less than 50 supplies, you get an error message and the medic dies. If you have more than 50 supplies, your energy is restored to full except for the wraith whos energy is restored to 50 and the medic dies and 25 defilers die, thus those 50 supplies vanish. This building CAN be lifted off to save space. Since the Valkyrie does not have energy, it will simply create 4 spider mines underneath her for the cost of 50 supplies. Players near the spider mine need to watch out, though, because the splash from the spider mines could hurt you as well.
Eng Bay - Small Armor - As long as you have this in your ship, all damage is directed to this - Cannot be lifted off
Turret - Create and remove one invincible marine (turret) that attacks once underneath you every 6 seconds for each turret you have in your base
Bunker - Invincible Cockpit - Can never be killed, must have SCV in it to have control over the ship
Academy - Enable Lightspeed - For each of these you have, you have a shuttle with 8 Broodlings in each. If you drop one, an animation is played, the Shuttle dies, and you are teleported where you dropped the broodling. Then after 4 minutes of "recharging", that shuttle is recreated. The reason for having 8 broodlings is so that you can't pick up any other units.
Factory - Enable Signiture Skill - (For Battlecruiser, the skill is to have a meteor shower rain down upon you, calling 7 meteors (Kakarus). They come down one at a time in a random spot (determined by junk yard dogs) around you. The effect for this special is very cool. for Wraith, the skill is to create 10 invincible Dark Templars that fight for you for about 20 seconds, and for the Science Vessel, an observer moves towards the top of the map, exploding all the way. A dark swarm is constantly centered on it for visual effect. The observer dies after 6 or so seconds. For the Valkyrie, a time bomb (psi emitter) is created which has a pretty large explosion after 5 seconds. Every skill gives you kill/razing counts for each unit it kills, but they do not affect bosses). For each one you have, you get 1 vespene gas per second. So if you have 2, then you get 2 gas per second. You can have up to 200 gas at a time. Then you can make a vulture for 80 gas, which activates your special. CAN be lifted off to save space.
Starport - Large Armor (more life)
Armory - Required for Firing/Irradiate - Must be placed in correct spot
Sci Facility - Upgrade rate of gaining experience and health (Upgrade vHP health, armor, and armor upgrade rate + lowers the amount of enemies you need to kill for minerals by 10%!). Only one of these can be operational at once and it can't be lifted.

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Nexus- Proton Bomb - Create a probe to make an explosion beneath you that destroys all ground units underneath you for exp points - detected by mineral loss (One time use)
Pylon - gives power
Assimilator - none
Gateway - Enable Signiture Feat - You can create a Zealot, Dragoon, High Temp, or Dark Temp from your gateway. Each one costs increasingly more vespene gas and is a better unit to have. With the arbiter, the zealots stay in his base and he can recall them out to the field. The armor and attack of those units can be upgraded. The fact that they are cloaked because of the arbiter does not matter, they are stiil able to be hit by enemies. For the Scout, if he creates a zealot, an observer is created for his enemy (so he can't see it) that travels towards an enemy in a 10x10 square around the Scout. Once the observer reaches the enemy, an archon that does very little damage is created for the Scout player on the enemy and starts attacking the enemy but is removed promptly after attacking the unit so the unit probably will not have time to attack the archon back. An archon like this is created and then removed as long as there is a unit under the observer every 4 seconds. The observer is removed after 20 seconds of being alive. If the unit it is targeting moves or dies, the observer travels towards another enemy in a 10x10 square around you. If there are no units in the 10x10 square to attack, it just moves towards your Scout, making your Scout a little fuzzy. If you make a Dragoon, 2 of these observer-bomb things will be created. High temp - 3. Dark Temp - 4. Obviously you can have more than one at a time. The archon created is upgradable. For Carrier, if he creates a zealot, it is automatically removed and 1 hallucination of a zealot is created to draw fire away from your interecepters and self. If he creates a Dragoon, a hallucination of a dragoon is created. If he creates a High Temp, a hallucination of an archon is created. If he creates Dark temp, a really archon is created. The archon attack can be upgraded. For the Corsair, the Zealot makes the energy of the Corsair 150. The Dragoon makes it 180. The High Templar makes it 210. The Dark Templar makes it 250. This energy can be used to cast Disruption Web which costs 75 energy. (The energy goes up as normal anyways as long as you have a gateway, but the creating units makes it go up faster. The player will simply have to learn by operant conditioning that you aren't supposed to make a zealot when your energy is already at 250, for instance...)
Forge - Small Armor
Photon Cannon - Create and remove one invincible zergling that attacks once underneath you every 6 seconds for each, so you need to be right on top for it to work..
Shield Battery- Enable Lightspeed
Core - Engine - Required for movement, must be placed in correct spot
Stargate - Create Corsair for Extra Probe! (dies after use)
Citadel of Adun - Upgrade Your health and experience gain rate
Fleet Beacon - Control System - If destroyed, complete loss of function - Must be placed in correct spot
Templar Archives - Firing - Must be placed in correct spot
Robotics Facility - Enable Signiture Skill - Again the defiler system is used. If you create a reaver and you have at least 50 red supplies, it works. For scout, the special is that for 5 seconds the air around you explodes blue along with all non-boss enemy units. So you can move around and it kills everything by you. Also a disruption web is always centered on you during that time for visual effect as well as a small gameplay change. For the Carrier, like 25 invisible wraiths are created for him at his location for visual effect. They all travel towards the Carrier. While this is happening, a medium-sized location is centered on the carrier and every second for 5 seconds, every non-boss in the location dies in a blue explosion. After the 5 seconds are over, all the wraiths die. The Arbiter Special is - A nuke like missile (observer) comes down from the very top of the screen killing every non-boss unit in its path and when it reaches the arbiter, a large explosion is created. It will take a little while for the missile to reach you from the top of the screen, but it is worth it!

The Corsair's special is that a recall swirly black hole thing is created on your Corsair, all units on screen walk towards it, and once they get there, they (except bosses) are removed and you get the kill. This special lasts for 6 seconds, so some units need to be closer to you in order to reach the black hole.
Robotic Support Bay - Large Armor
Observatory - for each, you get an invincible observer to scout/spy for you.
Arbital Tribunal - no function currently

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Hatchery - Necessary for control of your zerg unit; if this dies your zerg unit is given to player 12 and is ordered to junk yard roam until you build another one. (sounds cool huh!) Also, this is where you build many units for the overlord and drones for all zerg.
Lair - Serves the same purpose as the hatchery except it has more life and it allows you to go up the tech tree (you don't start with your entire tech tree filled out like the Terran and Protoss ships). No research can be conducted here.
Hive - same idea as lair.
Spawning Pool - Enable Feat - Mutalisk feat is to morph into a Devourer or Guardian (takes 7 seconds to take place) and then you create zerglings from your hatchery to morph back (takes 7 seconds), Queen feat is to become a hero Queen, thus enabling ensnare which costs 3 energy and expanding energy capabilities to 250. Overlord Feat is to evolve into a hero, thus increasing sight. Note that having more than one Spawning Pool is redundant.
Creep Colony- Expands Creep plus it can mutate into:
Sunken Colony - Mucous Gland - Necessary to develop enough acid/whatever to drop units/fire/broodling (broodling costs 10 energy)
Spore Colony - Air Bladder - Necessary for movement.
Evolution Chamber - Small Armor
Hydra Den - For each of these you have a lurker is created beneath you every 6 seconds and fires once.
Spire- Upgrade attack and when you have Hive, you can turn this into a Greater Spire to activate your skill (and turn it back into a Spire) and you gain gas just like terran and protoss skills.
Queen's Nest - Egg Sac-Kill this (as long as it is finished) with your drone (or it might be killed by an enemy) and 10 broodlings pop out to fight for you.
Greater Spire-If this is created, it is automatically morphed back into a Spire and a Skill is cast (the Greater Spire costs 80 gas). The Mutalisk Skill is to create 1 weaker enemy-type mutalisk, 1 weaker enemy-type guardian, and 2 scourge to fight for you until they die. The Queen Skill is to create an Infested Terran that rushes toward an enemy unit and, when exploding, instead of killing the units it splashes, it converts them to your side. The Overlord skill is to create a dark archon inside next to the Greater Spire that you created that has all of its skills (mind control costs 150 to cast, feedback 50, maelstrom 100) to drop down to the field below. It fights for you until it dies, so you can build up many of these!
Ultra Den-Develop Lightspeed
Defiler Mound-Damage Spreader-Spreads all damage dealt to your buildings across multiple buildings
Nydus Canal - Create the copy in a creep area on the map and the copy will turn into a sunken colony and the nydus canal will die.

Don't forget about doing these at the end:

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Post #4 KyleIs1337 Aug 10 2008, 7:50 am

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K, I already did in the updated version anyway.

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Post #5 ws-Impeached Aug 12 2008, 3:50 pm

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Sounds cool.

Perhaps you should finish one or two ships then release a 'beta'.

Post #6 Madroc Aug 12 2008, 9:40 pm

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Good idea. I'll do that.

Post #7 Biophysicist Aug 12 2008, 11:28 pm

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Three things:

1. How will you balance the ships? Like Carrier>Battlecruiser>Wraith...

2. What about Valkeries and Corsairs? Don't see those anywhere. (If you don't want to use Brood War units, you can do one version with them and one without. Or maybe you don't have Brood War?)

3. How about Zerg 'ships'? Each building can be an 'evolution' to the ship. (And in an advanced editor, you can use Creep to make the cutouts, so they look more Zerg-y.)

Oh yah, you forgot Templar Archives sprites on the Carrier. Or was that on purpose?

Your trolltag is twinArmageddons and you tend two 2peak wiith a biit of a lii2p.

Post #8 KyleIs1337 Aug 13 2008, 2:24 am

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Because we need space for computers...and you don't need those ships and they can't even attack ground? Lol. And the templar archives can be built anywhere so it dosen't need a sprite.

Post #9 Biophysicist Aug 13 2008, 4:02 am

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Because we need space for computers...

True, but does every ship need to be used?

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and you don't need those ships and they can't even attack ground? Lol.

Sorry, I had assumed there would be airborne enemies. (And there is D-Web, but I doubt there would be to many uses for that...)

So, ignore #2. But what about #1 and #3? Zerg 'ships' would be cool...

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Post #10 Kaias Aug 13 2008, 5:08 am

That's not going to happen.

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I would make it my own universe, instead of Star Wars. You have more freedom that way.

Plus then it doesn't sound like another lame star wars game.

Post #11 Madroc Aug 13 2008, 5:15 am

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1. Ever heard of increasing/decreasing damage? :bleh:

All ships will be as balanced as possible. Some have more space than others which is a really nice feature, but that will be made up for in other areas such as decreasing damage.

2. Hm I like the idea of corsair. We have already done some work on the map, so it will be a little hard to work it in; I wish I hadn't dismissed it without enough thought. Granted it can't hit ground, but there are buildings you can create to fix that :bleh:

I think probably half the enemies will be air or maybe less, so it would work. I'll think about it. I do need 2 computer players at least, so I will need to take one out to put in this one. The fact that there is no hero version might make the disadvantages outweigh the advantages. What could be different about the upgraded version? If I did incorporate the Corsair, the Science Vessel would be replaced. Also considering it is a STAR WARS rpg, many of the enemies will be flyers.

3. Zerg ships don't make much sense because they are biological and you can't add machines to a flying beast unless you add like chips to its brain, which is kinda stupid. Granted we could PRETEND it was a ship but why should we compromise when we have plenty of ships on our hands?

4. Yes that was on purpose. Templar archives can be placed anywhere in the ship. The number of temp archives you have corresponds to the number of interceptors you have. You can have 4 at a time if you are normal and 8 at a time if you are upgraded (yeah i know the carrier's upgrade is the biggest of all 6 guys)

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I would make it my own universe, instead of Star Wars. You have more freedom that way.

Plus then it doesn't sound like another lame star wars game.

I sort of agree with you a little... But I'm drawing a blank on ideas for an original universe. Have any ideas?

Post #12 Biophysicist Aug 13 2008, 2:24 pm

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I sort of agree with you a little... But I'm drawing a blank on ideas for an original universe. Have any ideas?

Not right now, but I might be able to think of something later.

When I suggested Zerg ships, I meant each building can evolve the ship. (Kinda like how you can evolve units at an Evolution Chamber or Spire.)

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Post #13 Craftstar2 Aug 13 2008, 6:50 pm

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How about making a "landing" feature on other ships so you can attack the inside of their ship. So you can train zealots or marines inside your ship, and then put them in a dropship or shuttle, and move the shuttle or dropship to a "hangar" part of the ship. The dropship then appears outside your ship in the real map, and you can bring the dropship to an enemy ship. Once that happens, the units inside the dropship are transferred to the hangar of the opponent ship.

Post #14 Madroc Aug 13 2008, 8:06 pm

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I sort of agree with you a little... But I'm drawing a blank on ideas for an original universe. Have any ideas?

I still am not sure what you are getting at.

I could imagine that one of the characters could be "The Overmind" and would be in the shape of the building the overmind and that you have a unit besides the overmind that can be evolved by placing various zerg buildings. Is this sort of what you are getting at? Or you mean it would actually be in the shape of the mutalisk and that placing zerg buildings would be like custom "warts" all over the mutalisk?

As for the theme, the Star Wars is pretty good simply because enemy battlecruiser could be Star Destroyers, enemy ghosts could be "strom troopers," etc. Also firing proton bombs and torpedos is so darn flavorful and awesome!

However if I can think of anything else or someone else gives me an idea, there is a good chance I will adopt it.

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Wow what an awesome idea! However it won't work in my map because enemy ships will not have their own individual insides of the ship (admitedly that would be cool but almost impossible) and that would make the map more complicated than it already is. That would be so awesome for an FFA map, though - maybe it could be a thing where you have a base and you have ships and guys that can be built and sent over to the opponent. The ships would have to have guys in them to be operational. But if the opponent out matches you while you are in their territory they could simply negotiate with you to steal your ship but let the guys inside go so you don't lose your men AND your ship, just your ship and the opponent gets the ship. Then the opponent gets a crew inside the ship to fly it away. Wont work for my current map tho.

I was sort of thinking that one of the characters would actually be a shuttle and you could bring your units to the hangar part of the ship and they would appear inside the shuttle and you could drop them, which is sort of like your idea. I decided not to do that tho - other ships are more interesting.

Post #15 Craftstar2 Aug 13 2008, 9:31 pm

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You could just expand the space more in the ship to include a hangar which has nonbuildable terrain. That way they don't have to rely on just attacking your ship with their own ship to damage your buildings. They can send men over.

Post #16 KyleIs1337 Aug 14 2008, 1:34 am

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Craftstar, that would be virtually impossible. To make an interior of ALLthe enemy ships would take up an extremely large space in the map. I understand what you mean and it is a cool idea but I don't see how that would be possible. Now, If it was a player vs player map that would be possible but granted that this isn't I don't know how to do that.

Post #17 Biophysicist Aug 14 2008, 1:32 pm

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I mean do it just like you are doing the other ships: eg. t would actually be in the shape of the mutalisk and that placing zerg buildings would be like custom "warts" all over the mutalisk.

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Post #18 ws-Impeached Aug 14 2008, 2:20 pm

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Why not just use the Starcraft universe instead of some lame Star Wars thing (with Starcraft ship names.

). If you wanted to, you could probably tie it in to one of the battles in the Brood Wars.

Post #19 Madroc Aug 14 2008, 6:51 pm

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I like your idea a lot. Maybe there could be one part in the RPG where they can go inside your ship and you have to fight them off with your probe. That would be awesome! Thanks I'll try to work that in.

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I mean do it just like you are doing the other ships: eg. t would actually be in the shape of the mutalisk and that placing zerg buildings would be like custom "warts" all over the mutalisk.

Aw man you mean I'd have to concept the mutalisk and all of its buildngs AND obsolete some of the concepting of one of my ships?! I like the idea but I'll need to consult Kyle first. It COULD even fit into a star wars theme, I remember seeing in one of the movies a darkish storm trooper riding a mutalisk type thing.

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Why not just use the Starcraft universe instead of some lame Star Wars thing (with Starcraft ship names.

). If you wanted to, you could probably tie it in to one of the battles in the Brood Wars.

I considered that but I think that that might seem unprofessional. but OH MY GOSH the idea of seeing the inside of Starcraft ships is awesome. I'll consult Kyle. If you have an argument for it, say it, it might be something i havent thought of.

Post #20 Biophysicist Aug 14 2008, 11:39 pm

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Well, I actually have a (partial) list of functions for Zerg buildings, and am working on a second which is different than the Terran and Protoss lists - kinda like the Zerg are different then the Protoss and Zerg.

Unless by 'concepting' do you mean the cutout of the ship on the map... Why would you have to do that? I'm pretty sure that there is a utility somewhere that lets you resize maps...

EDIT: A few more things I just though of:
1. Place a Shuttle in the ships. (Or for the Zerg, an Overlord. If you use the Zerg ships, that is.) That way, you don't have the problem of the worker getting stuck and having to kill off buildings.
2. Rather than using building sprites which might be confusing to n00bs because they don't realize their building got destroyed (wtf i have a suply depo why cant i move this is gay), why don't you use Beacon sprites where they are supposed to build their weapons and a Vespane Geyser where they are supposed to build their engines (Rename it as Reactor or something and change the moving machine to a Refinery/Assimilator (or Extractor, if you use the Zerg), as appropriate for the ship's race.)

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