Is mid open? (relative to top and bottom)

I'll probably think it's terrible because you don't play TS at all as far as I know. =p

Mid is more open but I haven't finalized the mid design quite yet.

How about making the south temple's players spawn further upwards, so they don't have to walk around the temple (it takes a tad longer) to get where they are going in the opening rush.

That would be a good idea, yeah.

Might as well put this response in the M8+ topic, since it's being updated. Sorry if there's confusion.
Medics, dark orbs, and other summons just don't bother me much. They aren't really meant to be used in a combat situation. Light mage's reavers and mech's siege tanks don't bother me much either, since they have such range, and they are so slow. The tanks pose a little bit of problem, but not as much as the vult, and in this case, it's entirely situational. You can't exactly chase most people in a goliath.

Is there a reason mech transforms displaces you? Not that I don't appreciate being able to jump out of a trap and being invisible for half a second, but it doesn't make much sense. Vultures, goliaths, and tanks all have the same unit size, which I would think removes any possibility of glitching on terrain.

Mutant is small enough and fast enough to make me not particularly worry about the balance aspect. Anyone can do equally well on either team. You pretty much just want to get in front of them, which isn't to hard for the smallest unit in the game.

Archer's l1 has troubled me a little. I toyed with stacking mutalisks, but unfortunately, I can't find a way other than for the player to physically make them from disabled larva sprites. It would be an instant thing at the beginning of the game to just make 4 mutalisks should the player choose archer. This would let them be stacked directly over the archer. I suppose it wouldn't be hard to do a 1x1 grid and put the mutas on the scourges either. If he doesn't make the mutalisks, then it would revert to the normal l1, for the noobs who don't do it. This also has the side effect of letting you hotkey your mutas, which is something I'd love to do.

To clarify, I never said all of these things actually bother me. I was just giving examples of position-related imbalances, no matter how trivial. (and some are quite trivial indeed)

It was more of a range thing. You're in range of Mech's L1 at 12 tiles from the tanks... which is 11 tiles from the Mech himself on the north and 13 on the south. Same thing with different numbers for Reavers... that becomes a factor for LM using L4 to take down cannons but staying out of range.

Actually, the reason is that I didn't look at the triggers closely enough. I just need to change the order of the Move Actions and we're good.

Some fronts are better than others. Play around with positioning and you'll see the differences.

I don't get what you're saying here. Would the Mutas be over the Archer at all times or what's going on here?

Yes, but we could do that anyway if we wanted to just reuse the same Mutalisks by giving them to the caster player and back to neutrals when the spell isn't in use.

The muta's could be off to the side stacked. Enclosed in a 1x1 square with triggers (such as constantly moving them back). Then moved above the archer when the L1 is casted.

Don't they just spread back out when you move them via trigger?

Pre-placed disabled unit sprite larvae can morph into any unit, and that unit will have no collision box. Since air drift is based off of image size, they will drift like normal, but when you move them via triggers they will stack in the air.

This sounds really cool.

Does the wiki know this? Because this is the first I've heard of such a thing.

I thought it was common knowledge that disabling via triggers cloaks the unit, while placing a disabled unit sprite removes its collision box.

It creates a rock sprite for each one when you enable it (you have to enable it to be able to build). If you look at it when it's being enabled, it will crash.

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Very strange that that pi shaped rock sprite always indicates a crash... I kind of wonder why that is. =o

My only thought for balance is to make things like the Mech's vultures and Siege Tanks spawn in turn. First below, then to the left, then above, then to the right, then below, etc. This would let a smart player avoid the collision 100% of the time, and allow players to chase in all directions equally.

The same could be done with Orbs and Medics.

@Rockz: is this the same concept as stacking marines? Or am I completely missing the mark....

@Mech transforms move you to the south: This is due to my worrying the "Death trigger" will fire because no mech units are on the arena.... Therefore, I moved the new mech unit before moving the old unit back. I'm sure Moose can fix this, as he seem to know my triggers better than I do now .

That will make the Mech a lot weaker, I abuse that all the time. I had figured that was the cause of his switch always moving him out of a surround but I didn't believe you'd actually do something that obvious... How can you think a trigger is going to run during another instantaneous trigger!?

Yes, stacked marines work the same way.

@ mech jumping out of a surround: I don't think anyone will like the change. I just think it makes no sense, and switching forms is already powerful. You get half a second where nobody can attack you, so if you keep switching back and forth between l1 and l2, the surround should eventually disappear, and you get off an attack every time you switch.

Wait a sec... Why wouldn't you detect it by when the player actually has his heroes killed? Detection based on their presence in the arena is very limiting IMO...

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 11 2009, 7:59 pm by Doodan.

Just figured out something.

In ANY game, assuming it isnt played on #LL in some private place, fast hitters like mutant have a slight advantage in the start.

Because, mutant can cast l2 on you, and you can click away, but you wont move for a little bit, and during that little bit you'll take damage.

Something i discovered, made me think.

... his L2 is also delayed from when he builds it.

I don't think anyone really gains from latency, it just makes the game less about reacting and more about guessing.