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[11:40 pm]
Fire_Kame -- Which, while the GOP and Libertarianism share that, the GOP is the one who also wants to enforce rulings concerning the sanctity of marriage and conception.
[11:40 pm]
Fire_Kame -- the GOP propagates minimal federal oversight in favor of state oversight.
[11:39 pm]
Jack -- payne don't worry, just an issue of definitions, doesn't affect anything you were saying really. I'm nitpicky at times.
[11:39 pm]
Fire_Kame -- So that is closer to the GOP, not libertarianism
[11:39 pm]
jjf28 -- country gov't = federal gov't in most cases?
[11:39 pm]
Jack -- Not no government, no FEDERAL goernment
[11:39 pm]
Sand Wraith -- okay I'm tired I'm gonna play video games or something.
[11:39 pm]
Jack -- Not even states necessarily, could be as localised as a county or town
[11:39 pm]
Fire_Kame -- what I'm saying is that it is shooting libertarianism in the foot to say that there should be no government, but XY and Z should be criminalized
[11:39 pm]
Jack -- Which would not be federal
[11:39 pm]
jjf28 -- the state government
[11:39 pm]
Jack -- Who would be run by local governments
[11:39 pm]
Fire_Kame -- who runs the police?
[11:39 pm]
Sand Wraith -- Zoan
Zoan shouted: Sand WraithBut wouldn't community leaders be a type of class, which defeats the whole idea of communism?
Not as far as I know. "Class" would specifically pertain to material divisions between people, such as who owns land and property, factories, mines, etc. Under communism, these resources are shared collectively, and no one person can call on an authority force (like the police or state -- same thing basically) to enforce their will.
[11:39 pm]
Jack -- The police
[11:38 pm]
Fire_Kame -- who would you have enforce abortion and marriage laws?
[11:38 pm]
Jack -- Or rather, my understanding of proper libertarianism*
[11:38 pm]
Jack -- Proper libertarianism doesn't HAVE a federal government
[11:38 pm]
Fire_Kame -- Jack
Jack shouted: Fire_KameWho says there needs to be a federal government who police those laws?
if it is criminalized the federal government must step in.
[11:38 pm]
Jack -- What federal government though?
[11:37 pm]
payne -- Sand Wraith
Sand Wraith shouted: payne I meant "liberal baggage" as in ideas such as individuality, hedonism, lack of social responsibilty, etc.
most of the anarchist litterature nowadays indeed does look like it's coming from the Right, rather than the Left. It is interesting to note that the Left Anarchists argue that such a thing as Right Anarchism is a systematical impossibility
[11:37 pm]
Zoan -- Sand Wraith
Sand Wraith shouted: Zoan Community leaders > rulers any day of the week.
But wouldn't community leaders be a type of class, which defeats the whole idea of communism?
[11:37 pm]
Sand Wraith -- Sand Wraith
Sand Wraith shouted: Zoan Community leaders > rulers any day of the week.
One aspect of socialism is clearly educating people to form the basis to socialize with others and to help each other.
[11:37 pm]
Jack -- You need to have some laws, or else it's not libertarianism, it's anarchism.
[11:37 pm]
Roy -- That wouldn't pass FDA regulations, jjf..
[11:37 pm]
Jack -- Fire_Kame
Fire_Kame shouted: Jack so criminalizing gay marriage and abortion minimizes federal oversight how?
Who says there needs to be a federal government who police those laws?
[11:37 pm]
Jack -- payne
payne shouted: Jack sorry, what do you mean?
Politics tends to be liberal vs conservative, what you described is a system of government, not a spectrum of thought within that government (aka politics).
[11:36 pm]
jjf28 -- Roy
Roy shouted: But we all agree that we should legalize all drugs, right?
should totally legalize a pill that infects takers with an apocalyptic supervirus
[11:36 pm]
Jack -- Roy yeah
[11:36 pm]
Jack -- But if abortion is against the law then the police must enforce that law.
[11:36 pm]
Zoan -- Is communism even feasibly possible without any form of rulers holding the thing together?
[11:35 pm]
Jack -- Libertarianism is all about the government only running the police, and possibly the army, from my understanding of it.
[11:35 pm]
Roy -- But we all agree that we should legalize all drugs, right?
[11:35 pm]
Sand Wraith -- individualism* specifically.
[11:35 pm]
Fire_Kame -- unless this is another one of those lost-in-translation moments
[11:35 pm]
Fire_Kame -- Jack
Jack shouted: Fire_KameYeah what's that got to do with libertarian?
it steps on freedom of choice - that's great if you don't plan to take part in gay marriage or get an abortion, but a tenant of libertarianism is that every has the freedom to make these decisions for themselves
[11:35 pm]
Jack -- Payne that's not really political per se, is it? Isn't that more to do with system of government?
[11:35 pm]
jjf28 -- xD
[11:34 pm]
Roy -- Probably because it's so hard to spell.
[11:34 pm]
Jack -- laissez faire is where it's at, pity there's not many places with a proper laissez faire setup
[11:34 pm]
Fire_Kame -- ah shit
[11:34 pm]
payne -- Sand Wraith
Sand Wraith shouted: payne Not sure about the anarchist comparison, as there is a lot of liberal baggage attached to it AFAIK.
the political compass has 2 dimensions: LEFT/RIGHT (capitalism versus communism) and BOTTOM/TOP (fascism versus anarchism)... all the possibilities are encompassed in that. Thus "Anarchism" is far from having to be linked with liberal ideas (though I am unsure what YOU mean by "liberal baggage" here)
[11:34 pm]
Roy -- If you register to vote, you get signed up for jury duty. :O
[11:33 pm]
Jack -- :wob:
[11:33 pm]
Fire_Kame -- Jack
Jack shouted: I tend to be pretty libertarian, but then there are variations in libertarian thought anyway
Really? I thought you had pretty conservative views on marriage and abortion?
[11:33 pm]
jjf28 -- no true :moose:
[11:33 pm]
Jack -- baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no more
[11:33 pm]
Mini Moose 2707 -- No true Scotsman, no true Communism, no true Libertarians... what is real?
[11:33 pm]
Sand Wraith -- payne
payne shouted: Sand Wraith capitalism isn't necessarily and inherently profit based... (but it seems to be the current tendency)
Eh? "Capitalism is an economic system in which trade, industry, and the means of production are largely or entirely privately owned and operated for profit." (Wikipedia.)
[11:33 pm]
Roy -- Nope.
[11:33 pm]
Jack -- Guys I pwned the job interview but I don't know if I want the job
[11:32 pm]
Roy -- I didn't say I was a libertarian; that's just where I end up when I test myself.
[11:32 pm]
Jack -- I tend to be pretty libertarian, but then there are variations in libertarian thought anyway
[11:32 pm]
Fire_Kame -- Roy
Roy shouted: Fire_Kame I'm a moderate libertarian by testing standards.
Libertarian is about as close as I can get, even though I do not agree with most of the core concepts behind the party itself and their extreme conclusions. Best of a bad situation, I suppose.
[11:32 pm]
Jack -- This quote thing is great for multithreaded simultaneous conversations
[11:32 pm]
Jack -- Fire_Kame
Fire_Kame shouted: Jack oh simmer jack, I was being remarkably flippant.
Text sucks for displaying emotions and such
[11:32 pm]
Roy -- Roy
Roy shouted: Fire_Kame I'm a moderate libertarian by testing standards.
I think the quote system is being abused.
[11:32 pm]
payne -- Sand Wraith
Sand Wraith shouted: payne Needs based as opposed to profits based, use value vs. market value, AFAIK.
capitalism isn't necessarily and inherently profit based... (but it seems to be the current tendency)

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