Leave your religion out of SEN >:-0. The problem with overpopulation isn't lack of space, it's lack of food. Try growing enough food for each person in 10-11 square feet of land.


For once I agree with you.


Higher population is bad because we don't have enough food to sustain everyone. The Earth has a maximum capacity.


Religion is not necessary to be a good person. 75% of the people in the US are Christian. 75% of the people in prison are Christian. 10% of the people in the US are Atheists. Only 0.2% of the people in prison are Atheists. Video Here. That video has a lot of facts, besides the one I posted.

Falkoner, he loved his parents, and he absolutely hated himself for being gay.

Did anyone admit they're gay throughout this whole discussion?

Just wondering.

There is no need to say we have too many children, as there is plenty of space left on the Earth.


More people equals more workers equals more food, a single person can easily provide enough food for more than themselves, and with the agricultural advancements we have today, it's not so much of a problem, now, in places like China, where the government has not put in better farming equipment, you hit problems like that, most farms in China don't even have irrigation, it's not a problem in most countries though, you need more food for more people, you now have more people to grow more food.

Now, you can argue about natural resources, and yes, to a point that is a problem, but if you are trying to save the world by not having kids, who are you saving the world for?


I hate it how you people continually say "Christian" as it is a MASSIVE blanket statement that covers hundreds of religions, and the majority of so-called "Christians" rarely go to church and don't follow the teachings of their religion, and very few Chrisitan religions have people who do so, I would say I am in one of the few, and I guarantee that jailed percentage of my religion are much less than those of atheists. Religion is what originally created morals, and while many of you people may not believe in the parts of religion that require faith, most everyone follows the basic morals set up by it.

The main thing I notice when it comes to homosexuality, is that every single civilization that began to truly accept it in their culture is gone now, I can't say if it's a direct correlation, but it's certainly something to think about.

Just because there is space doesn't mean there is enough resources to sustain life.
That's an interesting last point, however, nobody is arguing that every single person should stop reproducing; what's being argued is that less reproduction would be beneficial. There is also a flaw with your argument that more labor equals more food production. While at first does appear true, there is another condition that must be met: the quantity of resources to actually make the food. For instance, we say we have one seed, but do you think that having ten people grow that seed is very beneficial? In fact, is it the amount of labor put into food production that is so minimal and dangerous for our population? Or is it the amount of food we can actually grow?

I'll agree that the numbers pointed out could be faulty because how general people use Christianity, but that's not to say the numbers are completely inaccurate. After all, who are you to say who a real Christian is? Is it somebody who follows some, a majority, or all of the morals in the text? Religion is not what created morals, it's people that created morals.

Please, name a few civilizations that died out because of homosexuality.

Land isn't a problem, water isn't a problem, sunlight isn't a problem, and you're little seed theory is laughable as all you need to do is get seeds from the farms already set up, as one seed produces many more.


O rly? The ten commandments cover all the basic morals that are still in place today, you really can't go that far back into history, but religiously speaking, God gave morals to Adam and Eve in the first place, so non-religiously speaking, I can't prove or disprove what you said.


As I said, it may not be a direct correlation, but Rome, and Greece both began to accept homosexuality in their cultures and were soon wiped out.

How did their acceptance of homosexuality have anything to do with the downfall of their empires? And that's purely rhetorical. If you knew as I know that it had nothing to do with it, than you shouldn't have mentioned it, and you failed to correctly respond to the question you answered it with.

Well, to be honest, there was no way Rome could have ruled over such a large empire for such a large amount of time. Really, I think the historical evidence pointed towards inbreeding, and I think malfunctions in their sewage systems, plus all the barbarians (The Vandals, to name one). Besides, both cultures had accepted homosexuality for quite some time, if you want to use that argument, then the counter argument is that England never accepted homosexuality, and it died out (Also see, the 3rd Reich, the Mongol Horde, Imperial Japan, and anything else I forgot to mention)

Ugh.. I'm done arguing this, due to my religious beliefs, I know that homosexuality is not natural, but since you guys don't believe, I cannot properly argue, the world would like to tell you that it's fine, when it really is not.

you dont KNOW homosexuality isnt natural you BELIEVE it isnt natural thats why beliefs are called beliefs and not knows.

No, that was not an error, I put it like that on purpose.

You're in error then.

Or so you believe.

Sorry about that, mods, it just cracks me up how people freak out about religion like this =) I'm done now.

Don't make debatable comments and expect to have zero retorts. As for the seed reference, you've added in aspects (previous existing farms) in an attempt to nullify the point. You're not quitting this debate because of your religious beliefs, you're quitting because you're wrong on many points, stubborn, and have no fuel left for your argument.

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It cracks me up how people freak out about homosexuality like this, especially since it occurs in all animals.

But human's aren't animals! We are above them! God gave us the power to think and has told us it's wrong!

I guarantee I could continue on like this for pages and pages, but all it comes out to it spam. That's all the serious discussion really is, all the topics end up going nowhere and eventually get locked or forgotten. I'm done posting.

#1. This topic is about homosexuality. Bringing religion into the topic is pointless. Falkoner, stop posting about religion in non-religon topics or I WILL fine you.

#2. Please -- EVERYONE -- read the stickied topics. A lot of your arguements contain horrible logic. Many of you use: Argumentum ad ignorantiam and Cum hoc ergo propter hoc (with this, therefore because of this).

Please learn how to argue properly. Maybe even buy a book on it -- I have.

brief article posted quite a few years back about an indepth book about the sexuality in animals Biological Exuberance alil quote for general effect of what its about "Courtship, sex, affection, gathering food, finding a home--they have all been observed among a range of partners, from heterosexual to homosexual to somewhere in between,"

Edit: by buying a book on how to argue i assume you mean debating?

Except for the noun-form of "argue," the two words are synonymous, albeit carrying different connotations.