I still don't like your attitude of "let's totally ignore this topic". This is just the beginning, if there's no change more topics like this one will arise.
The original purpose of the topic is not as important as the reaction of the comunity to it. We want some change, and if it doesn't happen we'll request it again.

Note: No longer true.

In my opinion, moderators should be the most respected members and their actions should be indisputable. but that's just me.

I'd say that carries over to administrators and the existence of this forum shows otherwise. Someone elected to the moderator position does not suddenly gain wisdom, kindness and professionalism. Happy Birthday, by the way .

I would say not. I'm not pissed at those who moderated in the past (though I messed around with Dappy a bit after ), because on the whole I view the moderation to be completely justified. People get pissed over what they view as unfair moderation, and I'd say you have a lot of people pissed at you.

Go on. Convert me.

@Esponeo
I think what everyone is asking is just close a topic for a reason.
@MiniMoose2707
Can we get some good moderators like back in the old days ?
One I know who can be good is Falkoner.

I second that! Why hasn't Falkoner been made one already?

Falkoner fails at being a good member, what makes you think he'd come close to being a good mod?
His annoyance is off the charts... he does not have the maturity to be a moderator. Keep in mind logs were reset somewhere around late March or early April too.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Jul 1 2008, 4:40 pm by Merrell.

we cant see that....

Oh please.

In the "good old days", people bitched about moderators and admins just as much... well... I'd probably say even more so, than they do now.

And yes, I agree that people complain when they view a moderator's action as unfair, but that boils down to perception. Say a Neo-Nazi believes that there is a Jewish conspiracy to control the world. Just because most everyone else finds that ridiculous doesn't mean he doesn't, and he might view a moderator's action against his statement as unfair.

Merrel, the majority of those records come from the non-SC related forums, which I have stopped going to because of the generally biased moderation I've found there.


That has nothing to do with what he said, the statement "certain people getting pissed off when I moderate them is a sign that I am doing something right" is a fallacy, as in saying so, you are also implying that "A sign that I am doing something right is certain people getting pissed off when I moderate them", getting people pissed off shouldn't be what a moderator is going for when they moderate.


You don't just get respect for being a moderator, you have to earn that respect, mod or no, the moderators are there to make the forums better, not to piss off people left and right.

True, but you have to admit that some moderators, though still moderate, get less complaints. People like CaptainWill, Beer_Keg, MA, etc. That means that they handled every situation in a mature, intelligent, politically correct and polite manner, which lowered the possibility of anyone complaining afterwards.

You are absolutely right. But I am annoyed by this nostalgia for "the good ol days", when in fact it was no better.

Noone ever bitched about BeeR_KeG (and some others which also were good).

EDIT: I'm a bit late ;

I agree. He was great, Will was great, etc. I'm not forgetting them at all. But I've been coming here for years, and there has ALWAYS been at least one controversial person in a leadership position, and there has always been a group of people insisting that things were somehow better in the past. Sure, there may be certain trends that they liked that are no longer around, but in a very general way, I don't think things are any worse or better than they were. The point of my post was to try and remind people that are either new here or have forgotten over the years that there was just the same amount of controversy, if not more, back then as there is today.

EDIT: Ha, me too.

I don't remember anyone in a global moderator position who were as controversial as to have at least two topics made about them and to have them go on this long. I'd say Esponeo takes the cake there.

Maybe no one was perfect and there were bad people at every point, but I can think of quite a few people who would make better GM's.

Quoting a post of mine in a topic which I am "ignoring" is ironic.

It certainly does say something about the community.

I was pointing out a possibility, not an inherent fact.

The most loved moderators are the ones who never actually moderated anything.

I had been the subject of controversy many times before I became a global moderator.

Ask Moose and IP, they will tell you that the most loved moderators were such because they could get the job done without causing so much tension. And if you think you moderated something, please tell me where were you the last two months or so.

Esponeo AFK = no complaints.
Esponeo active = complaints.

that right there I can 100% agree too.

very true i thought you were a big faggot and if i seen you in person i would fight you... but after looking at it you just tried to end spammage.
1st.I still think your kind of uptight, I don't think of SEN as an uptight place, but thats the SEN rulers opinion.
2nd.I still think you can be dickish but its not aganst the rules and you took time to talk to me sooo.
3rd.Finnaly I still say you fucked up a little with your weird closing and such, which infact I don't quite get.. at all..
but everything else seems okay, and whether those reasons are worthy of being fired I don't think so, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THIS THREAD SHOULD BE LOCKED... kk? From now and again we should post in here to give you feedback and stuff.

nothing to do with anything but a lot of times people remember something better or worse than it actually was, i see this in the weight room with myself all the time, thinking i did so and so easy and then picking it up and almost die-ing or opposite picking it up and being light. continue.

I did. (but not that much)

I like how everyone right now is flaming and no one is doing anything about it. SRSLY. Remember the good ol' days when you would be fined for saying something like "You're an idiot"? (Which was my first and only warn >_<)