Infinity itself is illogical, much less an infinite time line.
In the end (final point on this subject I guess) relates to what we were just posting about:
If you believe in it, you are accepting it based on faith because you can not prove it either. And no one can.
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Infinity itself is illogical, much less an infinite time line.
In the end (final point on this subject I guess) relates to what we were just posting about:
If you believe in it, you are accepting it based on faith because you can not prove it either. And no one can.
I'm god, because I predicted exactly how this argument would end over an hour ago:
MSN with Syphon:
devilesk says:
i bet this argument will end with
devilesk says:
ITS JUST BASED ON FAITH
Now this relates to that thing I wrote to SiN. EVERYTHING is based on a "faith", but if so then you can throw away logic, reason, any knowledge you have. Anything and everything becomes meaningless. Your religious beliefs become no more "valid" or "possible" or "true" than any other possible belief that can ever exist.
Then you can deconstruct language itself. I have "faith" in "faith".
As a conclusion to this argument I would like to say that it is a major cop out though.
Ignore that, you don't get off that easily. You state infinity is illogical, you have the burden of proof. Now prove it.
BTW, infinity
is logical.
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Then why is there need of an explanation for the universe? If I've read correctly, you're saying that everything is caused by something before it, so what do you offer as the cause to your God?
It seems you don't even understand science. There is a need for an explanation of the universe because
SCIENCE supports it. A God does not require an explanation because it is not based on logic. Hell, God, or a supreme entity i like to call it, could even be a major quantum fluctuation that started the universe.
So you're saying that you refute an atheistic perspective because it is not logical, yet you believe in a 'supreme entity' despite it not being logical? That sir, is not logical.
This is crazy!
The point I was trying to get at was that people evolved instead of being created. Most people, who believe in a religion, want to believe that their is someone watching over them. They also want to believe that if they do good in this life, they will prosper in the next live. Well, the fact of the matter is, once you die, you don't go to heavon or hell, you don't become reincarnated, nor does your soul rome the Earth as a ghost haunting people. No. The truth is, once you die, your body rots away in your coffin, granted that you were burried. To some people, this fact is too much to take in.
What I don't get is how we, as society, make all this stuff up. If their was ( im not saying their is ) a heaven or hell, how would we know about it? Tell me this. If the whole idea is that you die and then go to one of these places, how could someone that isn't dead know so much about it?
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It's too much for me to take in, that's for sure. Quantum immortality ftw.
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I don't really understand what IP means.
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Quote from isolatedpurity
In the end (final point on this subject I guess) relates to what we were just posting about:
If you believe in it, you are accepting it based on faith because you can not prove it either. And no one can.
Finally, someone gets it.
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I don't really understand what IP means.
I still don't get what IP means. I thought about it, but I got lost in my thoughts.
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Are you telling me God came from earth and then invented earth?
No, I do not require supernatural explanations. I was asking you if your god is alive or inanimate.
That is completely irrelevant to my argument. I merely stated all life on earth
can be explained by God. Of course, evolution does not explain this as it simply gives an explanation for the
diversity of life.
It is very relevant, because you are essentially saying 'magic man created life' when there is no need to jump to that conclusion. Better to admit ignorance and study the question honestly.
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In the end (final point on this subject I guess) relates to what we were just posting about:
If you believe in it, you are accepting it based on faith because you can not prove it either. And no one can.
This is just an excuse to live according to a comforting lie. Proof applies only to discretely defined logic, and to require it of reality is simply dishonest. Best to act according to the theory that can best predict the state and reaction of your environment.
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Are you telling me God came from earth and then invented earth?
No, I do not require supernatural explanations. I was asking you if your god is alive or inanimate.
That is completely irrelevant to my argument. I merely stated all life on earth
can be explained by God. Of course, evolution does not explain this as it simply gives an explanation for the
diversity of life.
It is very relevant, because you are essentially saying 'magic man created life' when there is no need to jump to that conclusion. Better to admit ignorance and study the question honestly.
Look at my argument again:
Creation does explain something evolution doesn't: where life on earth came from. So stfu.
I never said anything about man nor god. I simply said creation explains something evolution doesn't. If you disagree, then tell me how evolution explains abiogenesis. Here's a hint: it doesn't.
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No, you don't explain it, because you never describe how it was done. This is not explaining something, this is giving up trying to explain something.
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Then why is there need of an explanation for the universe? If I've read correctly, you're saying that everything is caused by something before it, so what do you offer as the cause to your God?
It seems you don't even understand science. There is a need for an explanation of the universe because
SCIENCE supports it. A God does not require an explanation because it is not based on logic. Hell, God, or a supreme entity i like to call it, could even be a major quantum fluctuation that started the universe.
So you're saying that you refute an atheistic perspective because it is not logical, yet you believe in a 'supreme entity' despite it not being logical? That sir, is not logical.
It doesn't matter if it is logical or not logical because it is a god.
All that I'm trying to say is that 'something' occurred that cannot be explained by science, and in that event the universe was created, physics and all.
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I do not pretend to know how the universe came into existence, which is more than i can say for some of you people.
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If that was directed toward me, I wasn't trying to explain where the universe came from. I am exploiting ideas from a human standpoint.
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To claim that something cannot be explained by science, isn't that a bit premature?
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No, you don't explain it, because you never describe how it was done. This is not explaining something, this is giving up trying to explain something.
Are you telling me that creation is impossible?
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Ignore that, you don't get off that easily. You state infinity is illogical, you have the burden of proof. Now prove it.
BTW, infinity is logical.
Holy fuck. This is where you fail.
You prove relativity to me. Especially since it's even labeled as a theory.
And then you say "prove god" or "prove relativity doesn't exist".
And I'll say touché, but I'm not the one saying "you are wrong, all your beliefs are based on faith and faith only (which isn't necessarily true)". and you need to convince me my own theories aren't true while I just sit here.
Burden of proof? You are the one that says time can be infinite. You prove it to me.
And infinity is not logical because how can you have an infinite amount of anything?
Some say the universe is infinite, but how exactly do you prove that? Where do you travel to get to finally say "Yeah, the universe is infinite?"
Hmmm think about this: If something takes infinite years to grow, at what point does it actually do some growing? The answer is never. You stretch the duration it takes for it to grow by one even one cell into non-existence. You can travel to any point in time and it will still be the same as it was at any other time. If you stretch time back into infinity, you are saying it took infinite amount of years to get to this point in time. Wtf does that mean? And that's how it's illogical.
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Ignore that, you don't get off that easily. You state infinity is illogical, you have the burden of proof. Now prove it.
BTW, infinity is logical.
Holy fuck. This is where you fail.
You prove relativity to me. Especially since it's even labeled as a theory.
And then you say "prove god" or "prove relativity doesn't exist".
And I'll say touché, but I'm not the one saying "you are wrong, all your beliefs are based on faith and faith only (which isn't necessarily true)". and you need to convince me my own theories aren't true while I just sit here.
Burden of proof? You are the one that says time can be infinite. You prove it to me.
And infinity is not logical because how can you have an infinite amount of anything?
Some say the universe is infinite, but how exactly do you prove that? Where do you travel to get to finally say "Yeah, the universe is infinite?"
Hmmm think about this: If something takes infinite years to grow, at what point does it actually do some growing? The answer is never. You stretch the duration it takes for it to grow by one even one cell into non-existence. You can travel to any point in time and it will still be the same as it was at any other time. If you stretch time back into infinity, you are saying it took infinite amount of years to get to this point in time. Wtf does that mean? And that's how it's illogical.
First of all you do have burden of proof:
lol @ a universe just existing...
with a past time line going into infinity, all the events that are happening now would have happened infinite seconds ago...
am i right?
Not only that, but because you are making the assertion that an infinite timeline and infinity itself is illogical. Burden of proof lies with you.
How can I have any infinite amount of anything?
Numbers. In mathematics the concept of infinity is logically defined and math is one of the most logical things there is. So saying infinity is illogical is false.
And we're talking about time. You can have a finite universe, but with an infinite timeline. Infinity is a concept, a property/quality not a quantity.
Hmmm think about this: If something takes infinite years to grow, at what point does it actually do some growing? The answer is never. You stretch the duration it takes for it to grow by one even one cell into non-existence. You can travel to any point in time and it will still be the same as it was at any other time. If you stretch time back into infinity, you are saying it took infinite amount of years to get to this point in time. Wtf does that mean? And that's how it's illogical.
Point A exists at (0,0) and point B exists at (1,0). There's an infinite amount of points between them, but the distance is still 1.
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