I can't tell you what year it "truly" is. Now so what?

Note, I'm assuming a "true" year exists.

Relative to what?

exactly.

Sorry, I'm an idiot. What is the point?

Dwell on it devilesk while I go back to coding

Nah, I'll just wait for you to explain it.

It's roughly the year 4.6 billion of the Earth. It's the year 2008 CE for us bipedal hominids.

I would've just said 2008, but you'd have said something to stupid and irrelevant to flee the truth that yes, it is indeed that year.

It's a concept that provides a current "explanation" to what nature does. But, it does not explain how it works.

Hardly, it goes the other way too. Even if those occurred, it doesn't disprove anything.

Why do we have to think about God? What if we were created by aliens. Scary!

That's where you're wrong. Two events can be identical since time is completely relative. There is no "past" and "future" relative to space.

My question would be, why can't that be a possibility, regardless of correctness?

You make even less sense!

No, we're still finite.

Stfu. K thnx.

It does, but the point is that they're trying to use proof of those events occurring as proof of god. Burden of proof d00d

What if those aliens were god. What is god?


Everything's a possibility.


Fuck the quote limit.

Yea, I find it hard to make sense when I don't know what the hell the other guy is trying to say.

Define "us"

/agree.

Fuck the quote limit.

Same goes to JordanN, on a believing community. It's simply the truth that creationism is mostly full of idiots. (ugh i just know that someone is going to try and criticize me for that comment).


My question to all non-believers (in a supreme entity) is simply: Without a supreme entity, how did anything exist in the first place? With time being infinite, and there is infinite causes to every action, all that it is saying is that nothing exists. Nothing will exist, because nothing can exist, because nothing could have existed. Unless there is a certain divinity that created it all.

So my understanding to non-believers is that they believe that no one exists, because they never existed. But that can be defeated by simple logic.
I suppose that's just where faith comes in.

edit: ahh damn 3 posts while i was posting lol

The same way your supreme entity existed in the first place.

People. Are. Made. Out. Of. Finite. Number. Of. Particles.

The nonbeliever would answer, they don't know how anything existed "in the first place" assuming there was an origin.

However, if the universe was infinite and everything had a cause I don't see how you are concluding that nothing ever existed.

Logic doesn't defeat anything that a nonbeliever thinks, because a nonbeliever only believes in things that are logical. Lulz.

The only difference is that believers fill in their lack of knowledge with faith.




And now for the real point. Just because there may have been an origin, the start of EVERYTHING, doesn't mean it had to be a supreme being, let alone the Christian god out of all the gods there are in the world. It could have been some supernatural unknown force. A start in no way applies a sentient being.

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Which. may. infinitely. exist.

That there is no answer to the question.

"Time" doesn't start with the earth though, obviously.

Not even to "god"?

Anyway, explain how the question (restate it please, I'm not even sure which question you mean), connects to everything else you've previously stated, all the way back to how an infinite universe is illogical. Thanks.

no that's finite as well.

Finite how? Are you referring to specific form as in it going from matter to energy, and therefore not being finite? My perspective of it being infinite encompasses all of that. Assuming string theory, all the way up to the strings that are vibrating.

The question was: What year is it truly?
Syphon asked: Relative to what?
To which there is no anwser, because "What" can not be defined with an infinite time line as there are an infinite amount of origins.
Just think about what that means and you might understand more what I'm saying.
I'll make a big wrap up post later.