Infinity itself is illogical, much less an infinite time line.
In the end (final point on this subject I guess) relates to what we were just posting about:
If you believe in it, you are accepting it based on faith because you can not prove it either. And no one can.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Mar 29 2008, 11:55 pm by isolatedpurity.

Ignore that, you don't get off that easily. You state infinity is illogical, you have the burden of proof. Now prove it.

BTW, infinity is logical.

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Mar 30 2008, 12:11 am by devilesk.

So you're saying that you refute an atheistic perspective because it is not logical, yet you believe in a 'supreme entity' despite it not being logical? That sir, is not logical.

This is crazy!

The point I was trying to get at was that people evolved instead of being created. Most people, who believe in a religion, want to believe that their is someone watching over them. They also want to believe that if they do good in this life, they will prosper in the next live. Well, the fact of the matter is, once you die, you don't go to heavon or hell, you don't become reincarnated, nor does your soul rome the Earth as a ghost haunting people. No. The truth is, once you die, your body rots away in your coffin, granted that you were burried. To some people, this fact is too much to take in.

What I don't get is how we, as society, make all this stuff up. If their was ( im not saying their is ) a heaven or hell, how would we know about it? Tell me this. If the whole idea is that you die and then go to one of these places, how could someone that isn't dead know so much about it?

It's too much for me to take in, that's for sure. Quantum immortality ftw.

I don't really understand what IP means.

Finally, someone gets it.

I still don't get what IP means. I thought about it, but I got lost in my thoughts.

It is very relevant, because you are essentially saying 'magic man created life' when there is no need to jump to that conclusion. Better to admit ignorance and study the question honestly.

This is just an excuse to live according to a comforting lie. Proof applies only to discretely defined logic, and to require it of reality is simply dishonest. Best to act according to the theory that can best predict the state and reaction of your environment.

Look at my argument again:
I never said anything about man nor god. I simply said creation explains something evolution doesn't. If you disagree, then tell me how evolution explains abiogenesis. Here's a hint: it doesn't.

No, you don't explain it, because you never describe how it was done. This is not explaining something, this is giving up trying to explain something.

It doesn't matter if it is logical or not logical because it is a god.

All that I'm trying to say is that 'something' occurred that cannot be explained by science, and in that event the universe was created, physics and all.

I do not pretend to know how the universe came into existence, which is more than i can say for some of you people.

If that was directed toward me, I wasn't trying to explain where the universe came from. I am exploiting ideas from a human standpoint.

To claim that something cannot be explained by science, isn't that a bit premature?

Are you telling me that creation is impossible?

It is.

Burden of proof? You are the one that says time can be infinite. You prove it to me.

And infinity is not logical because how can you have an infinite amount of anything?
Some say the universe is infinite, but how exactly do you prove that? Where do you travel to get to finally say "Yeah, the universe is infinite?"

Hmmm think about this: If something takes infinite years to grow, at what point does it actually do some growing? The answer is never. You stretch the duration it takes for it to grow by one even one cell into non-existence. You can travel to any point in time and it will still be the same as it was at any other time. If you stretch time back into infinity, you are saying it took infinite amount of years to get to this point in time. Wtf does that mean? And that's how it's illogical.

First of all you do have burden of proof:
Not only that, but because you are making the assertion that an infinite timeline and infinity itself is illogical. Burden of proof lies with you.

Numbers. In mathematics the concept of infinity is logically defined and math is one of the most logical things there is. So saying infinity is illogical is false.

And we're talking about time. You can have a finite universe, but with an infinite timeline. Infinity is a concept, a property/quality not a quantity.
Point A exists at (0,0) and point B exists at (1,0). There's an infinite amount of points between them, but the distance is still 1.

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