Alright, finals are over. Time to start working on those new ts versions you've been talking about. No excuses.

Time for some new terrain modifying as well
3 weeks of free time!

ZZZzzzzzzzz ... * wha? .. Oh SHI- it's done already??!?!

HAha yeah!!.. I'll work on it ... .. but I really have to thank you guys for keeping this alive for so long... and giving me support =)

...Are you retarded..? Archer is fine. It's mutas are fine, the sunkens are fine. Perhaps 50 more hp, but even that is probably fine.

Are you...? Mutas are so fucking weak. Sunkens do ABSOLUTLY nothing but feed. As I stated, I've never seen Archer do good in a game. Sure it does ok real early, but early-mid -> end it fucking sucks. And I've played a LOT of Temple Siege.

The archer is like the LM when it comes to its first spell: ALWAYS USEFUL

The fact that you can run around as a hydra while spamming a move that only costs 25 makes it dangerous enough to fight against. Mutas are also not restricted by 'freeze' moves so someone like the Assassin doesn't stand a chance against it in daytime unless the player wants to risk a quick draw contest by running up there and using the L4 right away.

Sunkens, I agree with. Muta damage though? They are absolutely fine the way they are. I can post a replay of a good hydra player, if that's what it takes for you to understand.

I wouldn't mind seeing that rep, actually.

Imo Archers 2nd spell sucks, alot. But all his other spells are so good that if archer only had the 3 spells(without2nd) it would almost be rigged.

Archer originally had +4 mutas, but it was reduced to +3 & its lv3 buffed to make it so that Archers are given other strategies that are reasonable to warrant using over lv1 spam. Archer is awesome because the only time it is really fucked is when its disabled+paralysed(but who isn't?). The muta really shines when a player uses it like a vult microing while chasing. Think about it, if they are attacking you by your base, and wait till they lose some health b4 they decide to heal, you can chase them hitting them mabye 7 times with your level 1 just by spamming it and keeping pace with them(rine/zealot/bat/LM/summoner are totally fucked).
And don't forget his Lv4 deals the most damage in the game. Also, I'm pretty sure buildings don't give kill score. His Lv2 can give you summoner-level exp gain if you do it right.

is mech's lv 4 spell still overpowered?

i was thinking that instead of spawning all the vultures, goliaths, and tanks at once how about make them spawn one after another. from what i remember moose called the lv 4 spell "weapon barrage" so a chain of attack seems to fit the name for me instead of just one seconds burst of rape.

It's actually like a 4 second burst of rape, that usually kills in the first second.

Yes, Mech's L4 is still overpowered.

And I'm getting really sick of playing against marines with a shitload of life and tons of damage. 20+2 please. Also, its L4 is essentially a free spawn capture. I found that to be kind of rigged. =o In general, using mines to capture is really overpowered. The marine is the best early-game unit because of that. Please, whatever revolutionary Marine change you're planning, sometime this year...

I tried using Archer's L2 seriously in a game, it just doesn't work well. The sunkens do explosive damage which makes them only really good against Volt/Mech. They take 3 hits to kill a broodling... However, you can definitely go L3 or focus on L1 and just chase someone while spamming it. I've seen both strategies used well. If you try to do both, though, you won't get very far. You need to look at what your opponents are doing and make a decision.

How about making the drone able to make a 'Infested Assimilator' that gives extra mana, like for every infested assimilator you get and extra 5 points of mana every 10 seconds or something. I also thought scv should be able to make 'Armored Assimilators' seeing as scv is virtually only good for turrets and feeding. Armored assimilators could have say 25 armor and be resistant to spawns and summoner and weak fast attackers. Also improved HP

pigy's idea might be cool, letting scv put up a refinery to block the other team from making assims, maybe put a weak cloaked wraith or something stationary above it.

edit: also, making mechs move less of a suprise buttrape would be nice, possibly putting a limit on how many reavers can be on the field at once. depending on your class it may be literally impossible to kill them for example medic/assault.

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What about archer's Extractor?

I still haven't seen reavers, Someone post stats?

100+50 damage, 400-700 shields 1k life. cant recall the exact shields =/ sorta hard to kill them when you have a massive pile of them together because of their splash,range, and scarabs tracking you when you try to run to heal.

Regarding marine... it's been changed.. ppl who hated how spec ops "tanked" will love the change.. Those that use spec ops only will hate it... but I'm going for perfect balance so too bad.
Mech's L4 will change fer sure

Reaver and spawns will need to be looked at more carefully... maybe a little less dmg or hp for reaver.... maybe.
Btw.. reavers are 110+50 dmg, 450 shields, and 1k hp, with 20 armor. The spawner costs 120, and spawns 1 reaver.

Regarding the refinery/extractor stuff... That Could work out... I like the Refinery idea being a highly armored one (so harder to kill).. But SCV'll face a complete change.. and Archer'll spawn 2 drones per L2 ... (Sunkens n Spores have been lowered to 300 hp, 30 dmg.. which is subject to change)

Does anyone have any idea on how to further balance Medic (which'll get 27+4 dmg) and Summoner (which its L2 will now spawn 2 infested terrans per zergling.. Causing me to want to switch back to zerglings having 10+1 dmg, but spawn 2 zlings per L1... L3 can also be changed to, instead of Food for Thought, meld zlings together into a lurker .. that's also an idea that I could use)...

As for other changes.. u guys'll have to be patient.. but keep posting.. I'm using this as the checklist (as always )

Oh dear god. =/ I hope you lowered the exp gain for the zerg buildings then. =/ That's like a feed fest.

Medic could probably be balanced out by any type of offensive spell. maybe move it's L2 to L1, and L3 to L2, drop the original L1, and give it an L3 offensive? Preferably some type of explosive damage. Like...uh...Summon 4 'Mech' tanks to attack twice? Non-sieged.

As for summoner...Please don't change the +2 to +1 on lings. =/ That's an auto-underpower. You could balance it out by maybe making the max lings at 8 or even 10...Or you could always take away adrenaline glands (I believe that's the speedy-attack upgrade). I definitely like the 2 IT's per ling. Would certainly keep a Volt in check.

Reavers...Honestly, make them about 25% of what they are now (HP/Shield wise), and they're probably balanced. Spawn cost around 150.

Mah two-cents.

The spawner has cost 200 minerals. 120 was tried in the original testing and abandoned very shortly thereafter.
@ Pigy_G: the stats have been included in my change list for quite some time.

You might be on to something here.

Though I will point that the Volt is already kept in check by Summoner. His L1 and L3 should be useless against Summoner as a good Summoner would keep a great distance between his hero and the Volt. Though the overall rape resulting from Volt and Summoner both casting L2 would be quite amusing and a welcome counter to Volt's L2.

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