Note: If my quotes break, I hate SeN again. I do think the word is spelled bias...
It is spelled correctly. There's also a spell check that automatically underlines misspelled words in this post box.
Best policy would be do whatever the fuck you want except steal maps.
Damn English teacher taught me wrong
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because some people take this issue way more seriously than they should and post with bold text and fight for the issue like they're going to die if OSmap is ever linked to on SEN
Please. Stop trying to attack me personally.
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Again, it's like hacks. Whether SEN hosts maphack, mineral hack, etc. or not, I can still go online, download them, and hack. Therefore hacking is inevitable, so we might as well host hacks. Right? RIGHT?!? Same logic.
No it's not like hacks. Not hosting OSMAP on a mapmaking site is like not hosting hacks at a website for hacking. OSMAP is a good tool for mapmaking and has many uses.
I fail to see how OSMAP is the only program in mapping that exists.
Not hosting hacks on a hacking website is like not hosting editors on a mapping website.I'm going to go back to DTBK's argument of how hacks are not allowed on SeN, so why not OS Map.
Hacks are completely different, hacks are patched by Blizzard, and not hosting links to them stops members here from getting the updates to these hacks, Blizzard finds nothing wrong with OS Map, while they are totally against hacks.
Blizzard is not God when it comes to morals. Blizzard not caring enough to take any stand on unprotection does not make it 'morally right'.
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I'm getting this strange deju vu vibe here. Didn't we already have this discussion over a year ago?
A salute to the captain.... Captain Obvious.
Yeah I know. What I don't know is what are we covering this time around that we weren't the last time. Or what we
can possibly cover now, except to give others a chance to retrace our steps.
It's a master plan to sunk SEN again into the darkness by creating internal member wars o.O
Totally
It's succeeding, too..
Although not a mapper, I believe the community should be open source, and not use protection/unprotection. The Modding Community is entirely open source, and wouldn't be as far as it is today if it had the closed source mentality.
I happen to agree. But open-source mapping is not something that should be forced upon people who don't wish to use it. If some program could reverse-engineer any computer program you wrote, you would appreciate it? Some people wouldn't care. Others would be livid.
The final word is really this:
Pro-OSMAP people believe that a map maker has no right to protect their map and keep its designs from other people.
The fallacious argument that open-source mapping means OSMAP really irritates me.[/quote]
Why not? You personally attack people who support OSMAP. Hypocricy? Anywho:
And exactly. OSMAP
isn't the only program that exists like it, there are probibly hundreds more! You just don't hear about them.
Before OSMAP, there was a program made by Heimdal.
To my knowledge, he was the first person to make a program like that (I could still have it, too if I really wanted it)
To my knowledge, ANYONE with ANY programming knowledge, could make an OSMAP style of program.
So why are you continueing to bitch?
Oh, and OSMAP != Hack
If anyone thinks that, then they truely are stupid.
Blizzard is not God when it comes to morals?
Now we're getting God involved? Well, first off:
BLIZZARD IS GOD WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR GAMES.
Therefore, every argument towards or against OSMAP fails because: Blizzard = God, and "God" hasn't bickered about unprotection.
With your logic that is.
Now to get on with that same subject: What makes ANYTHING morally right?
For you to stand back and slander OSMAP is UNMORAL!
Not to me of course. But I bet you that someone in the world would say that.
Because morals are creations of man. If you don't follow a certain "moral", you're deemed "taboo" becase MEN created the word: Moral
So you know what DTBK? Its unmoral for you to sit here and slander a computer program that was created by someone obviously smarter in programming than you will ever be. Its unmoral for you to sit on the internet and discuss crap over a forum. Its unmoral for you to play a game that could technically be considered Abandonware, and trying to claim that you know everything "good" there is to know about it.
See my
point yet, or are you still "high and mighty" like you was last time I was here on SeN?
And guess what. I would be livid. But because its MY OWN PROGRAM that I took the time to make. I didn't use a
MAP EDITOR, CREATED BY BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT to make
MAPS for
BLIZZARD GAMESI took the time to make a Starcraft map. So?
Its still not mine, its Blizzards. I just made Blizzard a wicked ass map. They say I can use because I made it, but read below:
Essentially (Even states it in the EULA), its still Blizzards.
THAT should be where the discussion ends.
Not about "someone stole my map on a game thats ten+ years old! That's unmoral!"
If you guys really want to bitch about stolen SC maps, you might as well bitch about how Nintendo Entertainment Systems (NES) games have been stolen and put onto ROMs (Betcha $5000 that you whiney bitches that don't support OSMAP, support Emulators and ROMs, which is exactly what OSMAP does..) on the computers.. Cause its the same damn scenario: "if its moral or not"
Well, fuck morals in a computer game virtual environment over the internet. Especially one that's ten+ years old.
Blizzard probibly would laugh their ass off at people like DTBK.
For christ sakes you babies, its just a game. Go be a script kiddy somewhere else if you're going to whine about how someone stole scripts from you (which is all you are doing when making Starcraft maps: Scripting in StarEdit language), that you could logically say you stole from Blizzard, since
YOU ARE trying to say its
YOUR map.
You guys are lame. OSMAP sucks. It's made in Visual Basic. SEN does not host things made in Visual Basic. End of discussion.
Made in VB? Bet you $50 that he used VB for the Look and mainly used C++ for everything else....
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Like I said, the debate over whether mappers have a right to protect their own maps is an open moral question, and I have to respect differing opinions, even if I strongly disagree. Like you argued, you can make a case that people don't have the moral right to protection.
What I can't stand is people who don't recognize both sides of the moral question.
What I can't stand, are people who try to bring in morals from real life, into a virtual environment.
Have you ever seen any Blizzard game that says: "This game is moral"
No. More then likely (now days since those damn people that make up the E-M ratings make them do it) it says: "M for mature. Battle.net experience may change online" or some wicked ass disclaimer like that (I've seen it on most the internet games now)
So you know what? Fuck morals and trying to tie them in with Starcraft. I'm not going to be nice to some reject I don't even know, what is the fun in that? And what is the point of me having morals online on Battle.net, when half, to most the other people don't?
Seriously, this is an issue about whiney little bitches like you who cry because someone steals their Starcraft map.
Boo-hoo. You spent all your time, energy, and effort into that map to make it badass, and some retard stole it from you.
Boo-hoo. Where in the fuck are you going to get in life, making Starcraft maps your whole life?
No-where.
So instead of bickering about how "its unmoral", just stfu already, for real. Last time I was here on SeN, everyone was bitching and whining about OSMAP.... ITS BEEN A FUCKING YEAR FOR CHRIST SAKES, STFU WITH YOUR WHINING!
Instead of making Starcraft maps, do something
REALLY PRODUCTIVE like Programming, Photoshop, school, modding SC, or something....
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1) Your map is worth absolutely nothing, no one will pay for it ever.
Mappers invest time in making maps, and players spend time to play them. The old saying goes: Time is money.
Time is money in
THE REAL WORLD. Not the virtual world of a game that's ten+ years older... -_-
I'd really like to see someone get paid for their map and have Blizzard find out...
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Yeah! Like I did!
And you aren't cool if you aren't like me!
Awwwww :'(
None.