Post has been edited 44 time(s), last time on Jan 26 2010, 4:37 pm by MetalGear.

What makes this AoS worth playing over the countless others?

Only 32 spells?
Only 8 Characters?
No Items?

Any sort of synergy between any character? ANY? It seems like they're just a mish-mash of spells you pasted onto a bunch of templates

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Also, the spells upgrade automatically in random order as you gain levels

This does not even sound like a good idea, I don't think people enjoy having someone else decide what they want to upgrade.

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Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 18 2009, 4:54 am by Ultimo.

That's true. You're going to need to form the heroes to compliment/contrast each other to make it interesting.

And make it like every other AoS?

I see where this is going

i think the way the spells use the % chance system to gain extra potential will make this map much more exciting and replayable. it gives that factor of unpredictability. people love that.
yes... 32 unique spells. not just summons here and summons there.
8 characters should be enough considering its only a 4 player map.
i see your point. however some of the characters do have synergy between spells. for example, go take a look at the zealot. his first spell compliments his passive ability. also ultralisks third spell compliments his passive. also, the tank has a chance in his ultimate to active his passive 3 times. also the tank can go into siege mode, so i gave him good defensive abilities to give him time to uinsiege. its not just a mishmash of spells.
can i get some other opinions on this?

The coolest spells in the land of Starcraft are from those Korean arena maps. So is this map about hero vs hero?

Edit: Oh nevermind, forgot the AoS part. Anyways, lookin forward to see how this map turns out.

Here's the thing, there are AoS maps coming out with 12 more more characters with 7+ unique spells EACH. This is becoming standard, and basic characters aren't going to be able to keep up with the flow of things. I see no alternate forms, no potential for teamwork, no special abilities (non-spells).

Your characters seem very 1 dimensional which is a major flaw in a lot of AoS's that are overshadowed by the ones with multidimensional characters, elaborate builds, items and equipment, etc. I'm sorry, but you're going to have to inject MORE MORE AND MORE into this, unless no one is going to want to play it given the choice between this and a big-name AoS map. Push some limits, man. Nothing here sounds new at all.

Hey... You're still going to work on this, right?

Man why don't people ever post "another helms deep style map"

I mean helms deep is imba and badly designed. But the style of map is good. Heaven's Last Stand really shows the potential that style of map has, but instead everyone is like "AoS, AoS, AoS!"

I mean, why not just play DOTA?

Because DotA sucks and this is not WarCraft.

SC doesn't have any AoS maps that compare to Dota, so more AoS maps must be made to fill this void.
(I've actually never played Dota, I'm just assuming that it's good.)

You obviously haven't played the very popular Temple Siege, Kerrigan's Demise, Impossible Scenarios or Desert Strike map series. These fill the void enough that if they were all named "DotA" they'd fill up over four fifths (80+%) of the UMS line-up ion U.S. East just as well as DotA does in the WarCraft servers.

Anyways, let this guy do his thing (or at least release more information) before screaming "HERESY! IT SUCKS!"

Im exited for this post, so here goes.

@Norm: Dont base the comparison on your own map, you have a psychological bias from the start, and that cant be changed much.

Also, I dislike your items system tbh. But its not that big, certainly not big enough to be one of three aspects pointed out.

Heroes dont need to complement each other at all. As long as you keep to the (about five, three arguably, if your willing to take time) aspects, theyll come together as long as no hero is fully independent.

Theres ONE AoS coming out with 7+ spells for each character, and it has a ways to go as of balancing, and that would be yours.

Items and equipment are only comparable if your talking about DotA, which im going to assume your not.

@Ultimo: If you base characters on synergy, certain teams will arise....and that can be horrible. This isnt CoH, its not going to be two set teams vs each other, due to their synergy.

@Metalgear: People like randomness, but they dont like when it decides their matches. Think of this. You work and work and work (im going to use TS as i only have two chars to work with in this forum) and finally, you have warriors l3, so your able to counter that damned rine. Well now rines l1 has a chance to drain 50 mana on casting, albeit 10 percent. You run up to him, he casts l1 once and l2, draining your mana to 30, which makes your l3 unable to cast. Your friends rush to cast but even with l1 you cannot survive being iradiated and having the 12 upgs damage rine pressuring you.

A four player AoS is REALLY pushing it, imo. However ill support you if you think itll turn out.

Either make them upg in a set strategic order, but give the player control of some aspect as to make it possible to counter and avoid being fully countered, (think DotA, no stat control, but full spell control, with spells coming and becoming useless fast) People wont like it being random as they will feel they arent fully playing their character.

@Pronogo: Although your right about this not being Warcraft, you obviously havent fully seen DotA.

Also, your comparison is horrible, if i have one child with five degrees named John Jacob Jinglehimer Schmidt, and my friend has five kids, each with one degree, all named John Jacob Jinglehimer Schmidt, (dam i loved writing that) his family is not superior to mine, due to each kid having one set of flaws (and in this case, each map being different, but ill critisize that soon) and having its own set of flaws, while my child has only one and is much more set up to fix those.

Kerrigans Demise isnt popular anymore, and was horrible from the get-go. Such a waiting fest on such a map...

I'll give you TS, Impossible (although some of those are horribly imbalanced and have major flaws) and DS.

However, none of those have been recognized by blizzard or any outside company (it gives out money, ill count it. Im void of a better word) which is the main reason they cant.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Nov 24 2009, 12:53 am by MEMEME670.

Kerrigan's Demise is actually still pretty popular on U.S. East, although I haven't ever played it.

And you forgot to mention Desert Strike.

As for your bit with the John German-Name Schmidt, I don't see how this relates to it at all. Just because StarCraft has several different UMS-type maps that can be equivalent to the amount of games of DotA on WarCraft 3 doesn't mean the two games are better or worse than each other. I was referring to the fact that Norm stated that AoS maps HAD TO BE made to fill the void, which is untrue.

I will give you the 'Blizzard doesn't recognize those series,' although it really doesn't matter. Blizzard doesn't recognize porn maps, either, and you can still find PLENTY of those on StarCraft.

And if you've played DotA, you can easily see that you don't need to be flawless or completely balanced to be popular. DotA is just as shit as half the fanboy-made Impossible maps that have no "impossible" in them whatsoever, yet they are still played in horrendous amounts.

I gave you DS. I havent seen Kerrigans Demise around since its big about two months, or so.

Misunderstood you, but it was damn fun to write.

Porn maps have no community, DotA has an immense one, along with it being recognized by GameBattles.

Last statement is all opinion, which has nothing to do in arguments. Facts only please?

Lawl at "Porn maps have no community."

I remember this one dude, he used to run through the sexy pics shit from #1 to #708 and then go back. Took him three days for one run-through. Fucking sugar-hack pot-smoker.

Anyways, that was offtopic.

You said "TS" not "DS" (temple siege not desert strike). Also note that Defense maps (Tank Defense, Cannon Defense etc.) are HUGE. I forgot those.

And I will attempt to refrain from keeping my opinion from the argument.

stem cell research is good and so is abortion, the pope is wrong and religion is lying to you

Yeah.

Hey Pronogo Impossible Maps aren't AoS and neither is Desert Strike.

Porno maps may have A community, but do they have a community such as DotA has, I think not.

Your required to dl the map online lest get banned instantly. And then for your first few days youll be constantly asked to leave unless youve read enough guides and understand AoS thoroughly enough, and are able to get the abbreviations.

DotA prolly has more players join every five minuites then any three SC maps you can name.

Excluding melee maps, but maybe..

If you want to discuss AoS maps overall, take it to another thread more specifically about that topic. If you want to talk about this map specifically, continue to post here.


Otherwise, I'll get to deleting posts and possibly closing the topic.