There's a small bug with Medic's L1 spell. Start by summoning one medic. Without moving either the Medic or summoned medic, drain the healing medic of energy. I cast the L1 spell again. The new summon creates with default energy and the energy is set on the old summon (which has zero because it was drained). It isn't a massive problem, but it lends an extra 50 or so energy of free healing that shouldn't be there. Also, wow, Assault's D-Webs can own cannons. We took down the main's cannon pylon in the first 5 minutes. Lol. Even better since the Pylon's shields take full DMG from Assault's concussive damage. Also, Medic's L4 when cloaked makes for..... near permacloak. Assuming you can cast the L4 again before cloak wears off. Medic just became the new Assassin! :D Oh shit, I just realized she can do that to an allied Infested Kerrigan, too. Two new Assassins!

There's a small bug with Medic's L1 spell. Start by summoning one medic. Without moving either the Medic or summoned medic, drain the healing medic of energy. I cast the L1 spell again. The new summon creates with default energy and the energy is set on the old summon (which has zero because it was drained). It isn't a massive problem, but it lends an extra 50 or so energy of free healing that shouldn't be there.

Also, wow, Assault's D-Webs can own cannons. We took down the main's cannon pylon in the first 5 minutes. Lol. Even better since the Pylon's shields take full DMG from Assault's concussive damage.

Also, Medic's L4 when cloaked makes for..... near permacloak. Assuming you can cast the L4 again before cloak wears off. Medic just became the new Assassin!
Oh shit, I just realized she can do that to an allied Infested Kerrigan, too. Two new Assassins!

Assault can rape cannons easily without any spells anyways ;P! His upgrades make for some MEAN damage.

Assault can rape cannons easily without any spells anyways ;P! His upgrades make for some MEAN damage.

[quote=name:ShizTheresABear][quote=name:ClansAreForGays][quote=name:ShizTheresABear]Was wondering if you fixed the problem with Assault's nuke capabilities. I know that you already added a timer on the Bomber, but Assault can still get in range of the main buiding and nuke it in time. Should go with my previous suggestions.[/quote] What previous suggestions? How is nuking the base imba?[/quote] I talk to UnholyUrine in StarCraft and me and a few others have given him multiple suggestions that he's implementing in future versions. And 2 nukes kills the temple. That's not OP? Because we've tested it many times.. and it is very OP.[/quote] [quote=name:ClansAreForGays]I'm worried you are taking horrible balance advice from USwest players. I've played them, and even the ones in your clan suck HARD. Pop in around east some time.[/quote] Anyways, I just wanted to say it would be cool if you set a release date for the new version, and we could all get together and play some rounds like a sort of map night.

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Was wondering if you fixed the problem with Assault's nuke capabilities. I know that you already added a timer on the Bomber, but Assault can still get in range of the main buiding and nuke it in time. Should go with my previous suggestions.

What previous suggestions?

How is nuking the base imba?

I talk to UnholyUrine in StarCraft and me and a few others have given him multiple suggestions that he's implementing in future versions.

And 2 nukes kills the temple. That's not OP? Because we've tested it many times.. and it is very OP.

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I'm worried you are taking horrible balance advice from USwest players. I've played them, and even the ones in your clan suck HARD. Pop in around east some time.

Anyways, I just wanted to say it would be cool if you set a release date for the new version, and we could all get together and play some rounds like a sort of map night.

Release dates are usually unreliable and people get restless and it's rather annoying really, why not just start a tournament now for some time later this month, or early next month, and then if v1.13b happens to come out, then you can use that map, it's not guaranteed that everyone will like v1.13b, some may consider it IMBA some may not like the new features, whatever it may be...

Release dates are usually unreliable and people get restless and it's rather annoying really, why not just start a tournament now for some time later this month, or early next month, and then if v1.13b happens to come out, then you can use that map, it's not guaranteed that everyone will like v1.13b, some may consider it IMBA some may not like the new features, whatever it may be...

tell u what.. I can already release the version with Volt and Dark maged fixed and stuff... the only major problem so far is the Nuking imbalance, and the "surprises" ... But i really wanna finish everything before I release it.. and well, i gotta say i've been slacking off :P... :bleh: However, as i've said before, I need some help with testing, so I'll gladly play with you guys whenever i get the chance

tell u what.. I can already release the version with Volt and Dark maged fixed and stuff...
the only major problem so far is the Nuking imbalance, and the "surprises" ...

But i really wanna finish everything before I release it.. and well, i gotta say i've been slacking off ...
However, as i've said before, I need some help with testing, so I'll gladly play with you guys whenever i get the chance

Well, I enjoy your map the bit I've played it, and I'm on West. I wouldn't be good enough to ensure good balance testing, but I'm probably not too bad either. Give a shout once in a while and see who helps.

Well, I enjoy your map the bit I've played it, and I'm on West. I wouldn't be good enough to ensure good balance testing, but I'm probably not too bad either. Give a shout once in a while and see who helps.

urine im sitting in the channel, i offered to help you test but u went afk =/

urine im sitting in the channel, i offered to help you test but u went afk =/

From what I've read it looks really nice. Another map to try out when I get my new comp.

From what I've read it looks really nice.
Another map to try out when I get my new comp.

[quote][quote=name:ClansAreForGays]I'm worried you are taking horrible balance advice from USwest players. I've played them, and even the ones in your clan suck HARD. Pop in around east some time.[/quote] Anyways, I just wanted to say it would be cool if you set a release date for the new version, and we could all get together and play some rounds like a sort of map night.[/quote] What makes you say all players on USWest are bad? What if I said all players on USEast like to put ketchup on their muffins and cakes? (Has nothing to do with anything...) Being good or bad at a game doesn't mean your judgment of a map will be any different. Map Making and Map Playing are two completely different categories. Anybody is good enough to help test a map. [quote=name:StrikerX22]Well, I enjoy your map the bit I've played it, and I'm on West. I wouldn't be good enough to ensure good balance testing, but I'm probably not too bad either. Give a shout once in a while and see who helps.[/quote] Read above.

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I'm worried you are taking horrible balance advice from USwest players. I've played them, and even the ones in your clan suck HARD. Pop in around east some time.

Anyways, I just wanted to say it would be cool if you set a release date for the new version, and we could all get together and play some rounds like a sort of map night.

What makes you say all players on USWest are bad? What if I said all players on USEast like to put ketchup on their muffins and cakes? (Has nothing to do with anything...) Being good or bad at a game doesn't mean your judgment of a map will be any different. Map Making and Map Playing are two completely different categories. Anybody is good enough to help test a map.

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Well, I enjoy your map the bit I've played it, and I'm on West. I wouldn't be good enough to ensure good balance testing, but I'm probably not too bad either. Give a shout once in a while and see who helps.

Read above.

[quote=name:ShizTheresABear][quote][quote=name:ClansAreForGays]I'm worried you are taking horrible balance advice from USwest players. I've played them, and even the ones in your clan suck HARD. Pop in around east some time.[/quote] Anyways, I just wanted to say it would be cool if you set a release date for the new version, and we could all get together and play some rounds like a sort of map night.[/quote] What makes you say all players on USWest are bad? What if I said all players on USEast like to put ketchup on their muffins and cakes? (Has nothing to do with anything...) Being good or bad at a game doesn't mean your judgment of a map will be any different. Map Making and Map Playing are two completely different categories. Anybody is good enough to help test a map. [/quote] WOW ClansAreForGays just talked shit about the clan..for map making NOT for gaming :dontgetit: We take advice from people we know and trust but we value everybody's opinion. We are west but if you like to get closer to us that is ok.

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I'm worried you are taking horrible balance advice from USwest players. I've played them, and even the ones in your clan suck HARD. Pop in around east some time.

Anyways, I just wanted to say it would be cool if you set a release date for the new version, and we could all get together and play some rounds like a sort of map night.

What makes you say all players on USWest are bad? What if I said all players on USEast like to put ketchup on their muffins and cakes? (Has nothing to do with anything...) Being good or bad at a game doesn't mean your judgment of a map will be any different. Map Making and Map Playing are two completely different categories. Anybody is good enough to help test a map.

WOW
ClansAreForGays just talked shit about the clan..for map making NOT for gaming
We take advice from people we know and trust but we value everybody's opinion.
We are west but if you like to get closer to us that is ok.

Don't get all butt-hurt on me. Things I've heard clan orig players on USWest say: [quote]Defiler is the most unbalanced unit.[/quote] [quote]Defiler should only have +1 ups[/quote] [quote]I never bothered with ling's lv3[/quote] [quote]DA should have 500 shields simply because of it's high killscore[/quote] [quote]You can easily kill the DA[/quote] So sue me if I'm worried about him being persuaded by people who are bad at the game, and are influencing changes just because they don't understand there is already a counter or use for 90% of the things they complain about. [quote]Being good or bad at a game doesn't mean your judgment of a map will be any different.[/quote] You aren't actually trying make a point that joe shmoe who has never played Temple Siege would have as much knowledge on balance as Mr. 1337 who knows all the characters and their spells inside and out. I srsly beg to differ that skilled gamers posses the same balance knowledge as less skilled gamers. Probably not what you meant, but that's what you said. But anyways we should srsly have an east vs west game, just set a release date.

Don't get all butt-hurt on me.
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Defiler is the most unbalanced unit.

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Defiler should only have +1 ups

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I never bothered with ling's lv3

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DA should have 500 shields simply because of it's high killscore

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You can easily kill the DA

So sue me if I'm worried about him being persuaded by people who are bad at the game, and are influencing changes just because they don't understand there is already a counter or use for 90% of the things they complain about.

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Being good or bad at a game doesn't mean your judgment of a map will be any different.

You aren't actually trying make a point that joe shmoe who has never played Temple Siege would have as much knowledge on balance as Mr. 1337 who knows all the characters and their spells inside and out. I srsly beg to differ that skilled gamers posses the same balance knowledge as less skilled gamers.
Probably not what you meant, but that's what you said.

But anyways we should srsly have an east vs west game, just set a release date.

[quote=name:ClansAreForGays][quote]Defiler is the most unbalanced unit.[/quote][/quote] I LOL'd. [quote=name:ClansAreForGays][quote]Defiler should only have +1 ups[/quote][/quote] When did defiler get an attack to upgrade? BTW, since um, the upgrade on the ZERGLINGS were changed to +1, did you consider the effect that has on Mutant's LV2 spell? It's going to be rendered rather weak. [quote=name:ClansAreForGays][quote]I never bothered with ling's lv3[/quote][/quote] That's probably why you lost as Ling. [quote=name:ClansAreForGays][quote]DA should have 500 shields simply because of it's high killscore[/quote][/quote] What about the fact that you can't kill it because you're stuck in a Maelstrom? Lulz. [quote=name:ClansAreForGays][quote]You can easily kill the DA[/quote][/quote] See above. [quote=name:ClansAreForGays]So sue me if I'm worried about him being persuaded by people who are bad at the game, and are influencing changes just because they don't understand there is already a counter or use for 90% of the things they complain about.[/quote] Truer words were never spoken. [quote=name:ShizTheresABear]Being good or bad at a game doesn't mean your judgment of a map will be any different. Map Making and Map Playing are two completely different categories. Anybody is good enough to help test a map.[/quote] Yes, to test. To make sure things function. Balance is an entirely different story. [quote=name:ClansAreForGays]But anyways we should srsly have an east vs west game[/quote] Count me in for CAFG's team. :P

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Defiler is the most unbalanced unit.

I LOL'd.

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Defiler should only have +1 ups

When did defiler get an attack to upgrade?
BTW, since um, the upgrade on the ZERGLINGS were changed to +1, did you consider the effect that has on Mutant's LV2 spell? It's going to be rendered rather weak.

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I never bothered with ling's lv3

That's probably why you lost as Ling.

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DA should have 500 shields simply because of it's high killscore

What about the fact that you can't kill it because you're stuck in a Maelstrom? Lulz.

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You can easily kill the DA

See above.

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So sue me if I'm worried about him being persuaded by people who are bad at the game, and are influencing changes just because they don't understand there is already a counter or use for 90% of the things they complain about.

Truer words were never spoken.

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Being good or bad at a game doesn't mean your judgment of a map will be any different. Map Making and Map Playing are two completely different categories. Anybody is good enough to help test a map.

Yes, to test. To make sure things function.
Balance is an entirely different story.

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But anyways we should srsly have an east vs west game

Count me in for CAFG's team.

We need to hold tryout for our third :p I'm thinking either Viet or Tino

We need to hold tryout for our third :p

I'm thinking either Viet or Tino

[quote=name:ClansAreForGays]We need to hold tryout for our third :p I'm thinking either Viet or Tino[/quote] MEM EMEME PICK ME :]!!

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We need to hold tryout for our third

I'm thinking either Viet or Tino

MEM EMEME PICK ME :]!!

[quote=name:ClansAreForGays]Don't get all butt-hurt on me.[/quote] Way to be mature. Tells me a lot about your character. [quote=name:ClansAreForGays]So sue me if I'm worried about him being persuaded by people who are bad at the game, and are influencing changes just because they don't understand there is already a counter or use for 90% of the things they complain about.[/quote] Yes, UnholyUrine is going to take in everything that everybody says and implement them into future versions. "Add a 9,000 damage wraith for Player 2 that's invincible and can teleport around the entire map!" "Uh.. sure". I'm sure Urine knows enough about his own game so he knows which ideas are good and bad. Besides, suggestions and ideas are simply just suggestions and ideas. They don't HAVE to be in the map if Urine doesn't want them to. [quote=name:ClasAreForGays][quote]Being good or bad at a game doesn't mean your judgment of a map will be any different.[/quote] You aren't actually trying make a point that joe shmoe who has never played Temple Siege would have as much knowledge on balance as Mr. 1337 who knows all the characters and their spells inside and out. I srsly beg to differ that skilled gamers posses the same balance knowledge as less skilled gamers. Probably not what you meant, but that's what you said.[/quote] Since when does judgement mean knowledge on balance. I merely said you can judge a map whether or not you are an experience player or a newbie. Please read replies carefully before commenting on them. [quote=name:ClansAreForGays]But anyways we should srsly have an east vs west game, just set a release date.[/quote] What are we, gangs? Always thought Blizzard put up an East and a West server so people would be able to join that gateway for a faster, better connection. So.. I'm done arguing with ClansAreForGays. He's obviously too stubborn to give up his dream of an only USEast world. He jumps into conclusions too fast and I don't feel like dealing with people like him. SO ANYWAYS, fix that nuke mess, Urine?

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Don't get all butt-hurt on me.

Way to be mature. Tells me a lot about your character.

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So sue me if I'm worried about him being persuaded by people who are bad at the game, and are influencing changes just because they don't understand there is already a counter or use for 90% of the things they complain about.

Yes, UnholyUrine is going to take in everything that everybody says and implement them into future versions. "Add a 9,000 damage wraith for Player 2 that's invincible and can teleport around the entire map!" "Uh.. sure".

I'm sure Urine knows enough about his own game so he knows which ideas are good and bad. Besides, suggestions and ideas are simply just suggestions and ideas. They don't HAVE to be in the map if Urine doesn't want them to.

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Being good or bad at a game doesn't mean your judgment of a map will be any different.

You aren't actually trying make a point that joe shmoe who has never played Temple Siege would have as much knowledge on balance as Mr. 1337 who knows all the characters and their spells inside and out. I srsly beg to differ that skilled gamers posses the same balance knowledge as less skilled gamers.
Probably not what you meant, but that's what you said.

Since when does judgement mean knowledge on balance. I merely said you can judge a map whether or not you are an experience player or a newbie. Please read replies carefully before commenting on them.

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But anyways we should srsly have an east vs west game, just set a release date.

What are we, gangs? Always thought Blizzard put up an East and a West server so people would be able to join that gateway for a faster, better connection.

So.. I'm done arguing with ClansAreForGays. He's obviously too stubborn to give up his dream of an only USEast world. He jumps into conclusions too fast and I don't feel like dealing with people like him.

SO ANYWAYS, fix that nuke mess, Urine?

Me > Viet EZ Me > Tino EZ ;P! <33 I think balancing should be done so that an average player that understands how to cast a spell, understands what upgrades he should get, what makes good combinations and stuff alike can play with ease, it shouldn't be made so that somebody can just pick any character and go pwn a skilled person just because they're both exactly the same, nor should it be balanced so only if you know every advantage of the map, and every spell inside out, you will be able to win... I am not a complete noob, like I understand how to play the game, I am not pro, like I dont know every characters spells, the damage, the upgrades and what not, but I know that: Lurkers hurt... Volt is way too overpowered Mech is way too underpowered Light Mage has too little HP and is SRSLY slow Ensnare and Mael are unbalanced Capturing bases is pointless unless you plan to use it as a teleport and trap the enemy CAFG is too fucking pro to 1vs1 except when it's 3vs1 and I have 100% hp MiniMoose2707 is the pro and if you're on his team you win fo sho Vi3t-X spams mines and it's hella annoying Tino sucks as Light Mage Assasin is love <33

Me > Viet EZ
Me > Tino EZ
;P!
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I think balancing should be done so that an average player that understands how to cast a spell, understands what upgrades he should get, what makes good combinations and stuff alike can play with ease, it shouldn't be made so that somebody can just pick any character and go pwn a skilled person just because they're both exactly the same, nor should it be balanced so only if you know every advantage of the map, and every spell inside out, you will be able to win...

I am not a complete noob, like I understand how to play the game, I am not pro, like I dont know every characters spells, the damage, the upgrades and what not, but I know that:
Lurkers hurt...
Volt is way too overpowered
Mech is way too underpowered
Light Mage has too little HP and is SRSLY slow
Ensnare and Mael are unbalanced
Capturing bases is pointless unless you plan to use it as a teleport and trap the enemy
CAFG is too fucking pro to 1vs1 except when it's 3vs1 and I have 100% hp
MiniMoose2707 is the pro and if you're on his team you win fo sho
Vi3t-X spams mines and it's hella annoying
Tino sucks as Light Mage
Assasin is love <33

a pile of luls is A)ensnared light mage, hes just screwed unless he has a closeby partner to save him B)teargased lightmage, pretty much the same situation..., though id definately have to agree, the small gain you get from a warpgate capture is much outwayed by the experience it feeds your enemy, a possible way to fix that would have it provide something to your team, be it exp,minerals,etc etc.

a pile of luls is A)ensnared light mage, hes just screwed unless he has a closeby partner to save him B)teargased lightmage, pretty much the same situation..., though id definately have to agree, the small gain you get from a warpgate capture is much outwayed by the experience it feeds your enemy, a possible way to fix that would have it provide something to your team, be it exp,minerals,etc etc.

I think it does give exp, since when I have a stupid teammate that does capture all of them, I gain levels sporadically. I really don't want anymore more free exp added to the game making leveling easier, so I have a better idea. Add a toggle to the mid spawns that would effectively just make it a teleporting base with cannons.

I think it does give exp, since when I have a stupid teammate that does capture all of them, I gain levels sporadically.

I really don't want anymore more free exp added to the game making leveling easier, so I have a better idea. Add a toggle to the mid spawns that would effectively just make it a teleporting base with cannons.

you should have a toggle for all the bases then because personally i prefer feeding on top and bottom, less people come and fight me so i have to leave to heal less XD Edit: oh you said "mid spawns" as in all the warpgates spread out, thats some pretty rough grammar though you meant the middle warpgate; in no way are the side warpgates a middle =/.

you should have a toggle for all the bases then because personally i prefer feeding on top and bottom, less people come and fight me so i have to leave to heal less XD

Edit: oh you said "mid spawns" as in all the warpgates spread out, thats some pretty rough grammar though you meant the middle warpgate; in no way are the side warpgates a middle =/.

[quote=name:Lt.Church]in no way are the side warpgates a middle =/.[/quote] I beg to differ. They are all in the middle of their respective lanes.

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in no way are the side warpgates a middle =/.

I beg to differ.

They are all in the middle of their respective lanes.