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[2017-5-15. : 12:11 am]  Voyager7456 -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: Voyager7456 Not about revolutionizing SEN but linking the two together can make a net benefit for both communities. You have to understand there is a big TS community out there and its popular. Oh yeah, I get how it could be a benefit. I'm just saying either way the community as it stands will remain mostly unchanged so I don't know why we have 300 pages of discussion on this lmao[2017-5-15. : 12:11 am] Broflamingo -- LoveLessLoveLess shouted: Broflamingo So editing a map that's already been made makes you an innovator? Sorry, not you, the guys you wanna pay. Listen i Can understand why Ex may have some reservations. Understandable. You? You are just a random,with no map and a no idea hater who wants to put others down. Butt out.[2017-5-15. : 12:10 am]  Dem0n -- LoveLessLoveLess shouted: Broflamingo So editing a map that's already been made makes you an innovator? Sorry, not you, the guys you wanna pay. He didn't say he'd be an innovator.[2017-5-15. : 12:10 am] Broflamingo -- Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Srsly. I don't think anyone should be under the impression an updated TS will revolutionize SEN, but it definitely won't destroy it either. AFAIK the moderator tools still work - any issues can be dealt with. Not about revolutionizing SEN but linking the two together can make a net benefit for both communities. You have to understand there is a big TS community out there and its popular.[2017-5-15. : 12:09 am] LoveLess -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: LoveLess And you, just hater with no good ideas. And ibelieve TS can make SEN good again, I have vision. I udnerstand people can disagree but when you have salty haters like loveless with no good ideas just hating, what does that make you? So editing a map that's already been made makes you an innovator? Sorry, not you, the guys you wanna pay.[2017-5-15. : 12:08 am] Voyager7456 -- Srsly. I don't think anyone should be under the impression an updated TS will revolutionize SEN, but it definitely won't destroy it either. AFAIK the moderator tools still work - any issues can be dealt with.[2017-5-15. : 12:08 am] Broflamingo -- ZoanZoan shouted: Mini Moose 2707 in the end it's all Trump's fault LMAO OWNAGE![2017-5-15. : 12:08 am] Dem0n -- Like all you fuckboy regulars and veterans trying to have a panel discussion on SEN user policy when you should just leave that to staff and move the fuck on. Why is this still a discussion?[2017-5-15. : 12:08 am] Lanthanide -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: Lanthanide Lanth. I'm not choosing not to learn. I genuinely do not understand why if we're acting truthfully it would be necessary. I've told you why. You keep saying "I don't understand" and sticking to your existing knowledge of online human interaction. I believe this is an example of where your existing knowledge is wanting, which is WHY this discussion is taking place. So you need to update your knowledge of online human interaction, if you want to avoid this or similar things in the future. That is the very definition of a learning experience[2017-5-15. : 12:07 am] Zoan -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: So it seems the main source is the "TS make SEN great again rhetoric", can't we just chill on that, clean up, and move on with our lives LMAO in the end it's all Trump's fault[2017-5-15. : 12:07 am] Swampfox -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: tbh fam, TS already out there, it already has the SEN name on it, making a few improvements to it isn't going to bop SEN LMAO This isn't the argument. Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: So it seems the main source is the "TS make SEN great again rhetoric", can't we just chill on that, clean up, and move on with our lives LMAO Exactly this.[2017-5-15. : 12:07 am] Broflamingo -- LoveLessLoveLess shouted: Broflamingo I am more than entitled to having an opinion. TS players are cunts. And you, just hater with no good ideas. And ibelieve TS can make SEN good again, I have vision. I udnerstand people can disagree but when you have salty haters like loveless with no good ideas just hating, what does that make you?[2017-5-15. : 12:07 am]  Moose -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: tbh fam, TS already out there, it already has the SEN name on it, making a few improvements to it isn't going to bop SEN LMAO And if it does: Voyager7456Voyager7456 shouted: Swampfox then they'll get the bop, problem solved so w/e[2017-5-15. : 12:06 am] Dem0n -- LoveLessLoveLess shouted: Broflamingo I am more than entitled to having an opinion. TS players are cunts. Everybody living 8 years in the past today LMAO[2017-5-15. : 12:06 am] Excalibur -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Excalibur hence why you're choosing not to learn anything from this experience Lanth. I'm not choosing not to learn. I genuinely do not understand why if we're acting truthfully it would be necessary.[2017-5-15. : 12:06 am] CaptainWill -- I see, so it's about attracting the right kind of people. Well, honestly, and as Dem0n was saying, I doubt it makes much of a difference by this point.[2017-5-15. : 12:06 am] Moose -- So it seems the main source is the "TS make SEN great again rhetoric", can't we just chill on that, clean up, and move on with our lives LMAO[2017-5-15. : 12:06 am] Dem0n -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: well TS being a popular map, may get more people visting SEN. like my Desert Strike Night Fixed got more people visiting SEN, back when it was under active development Nobody plays this shit except for like 6-10 people that mostly host private games. Nobody knows what TS is anymore. Nobody is going to take over SEN because of it.[2017-5-15. : 12:06 am] Zoan -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: tbh fam, TS already out there, it already has the SEN name on it, making a few improvements to it isn't going to bop SEN LMAO lmao, yea you are right xD[2017-5-15. : 12:06 am] Lanthanide -- now, whether we actually want people visiting SEN is a question that actually should be discussed anyway; it's slow enough as it is[2017-5-15. : 12:05 am] LoveLess -- BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: LoveLess Like you will, right? Because you ru naround calling people cunts? I am more than entitled to having an opinion. TS players are cunts.[2017-5-15. : 12:05 am] lil-Inferno -- tbh fam, TS already out there, it already has the SEN name on it, making a few improvements to it isn't going to bop SEN LMAO[2017-5-15. : 12:05 am] Lanthanide -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: Lanthanide Right, so I disagree with Nude. And I still don't understand why it would be necessary. hence why you're choosing not to learn anything from this experience[2017-5-15. : 12:05 am] Lanthanide -- well TS being a popular map, may get more people visting SEN. like my Desert Strike Night Fixed got more people visiting SEN, back when it was under active development[2017-5-15. : 12:04 am] Excalibur -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: NudeRaider Excalibur Right, so I disagree with Nude. And I still don't understand why it would be necessary.[2017-5-15. : 12:04 am] Broflamingo -- LoveLessLoveLess shouted: They do not, which is why I am confused why TS will make SEN great again is kinda... retarded Like you will, right? Because you ru naround calling people cunts?[2017-5-15. : 12:04 am] LoveLess -- They do not, which is why I am confused why TS will make SEN great again is kinda... retarded[2017-5-15. : 12:03 am] CaptainWill -- I never got the impression people here were very into e-sports.[2017-5-15. : 12:03 am] Lanthanide -- NudeRaiderNudeRaider shouted: Mini Moose 2707 I would absolutely love that. I often would like to say things I can't/shouldn't. And sometimes I do it anyway. Excalibur Excalibur shouted: Lanthanide I don't think there's a distinction, I have never seen any staff member make such a distinction when making a post either. If we are true to ourselves in our actions I can't see a time where I might say one thing as staff and one thing as not. [2017-5-15. : 12:02 am] CaptainWill -- Because surely if that's the case then the mapping community and the community that plays them can be separate? I'm sure the people who play TS have little interest in the process of making the maps.[2017-5-15. : 12:02 am] Excalibur -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Excalibur ok, well choose to learn nothing from this experience, then. your choice I don't think thats a fair statement. If in all the history of SEN no staff member has ever had to make such a distinction that I can recall, why now must one be made?[2017-5-15. : 12:02 am] LoveLess -- CaptainWillCaptainWill shouted: So... is it the community around TS that people object to? Pretty much. They were not constructive people.[2017-5-15. : 12:02 am] Dem0n -- TS is dead as shit, SC is almost dead, ain't no TS wave of douchebags coming back to ruin SEN[2017-5-15. : 12:01 am] Lanthanide -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: Lanthanide I don't think there's a distinction, I have never seen any staff member make such a distinction when making a post either. If we are true to ourselves in our actions I can't see a time where I might say one thing as staff and one thing as not. ok, well choose to learn nothing from this experience, then. your choice[2017-5-15. : 12:01 am] Excalibur -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Excalibur then this is a learning opportunity for you, to realise that you need to take into account other people's perceptions of you when you speak on a subject like this where you have "history". You should have started your post by saying something like "I make the following post as a member of SEN, rather than as a moderator" I don't think there's a distinction, I have never seen any staff member make such a distinction when making a post either. If we are true to ourselves in our actions I can't see a time where I might say one thing as staff and one thing as not.[2017-5-15. : 12:01 am] Moose -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: you can get Cecil really riled up by anything, and then it turns out he doesn't even know what he's talking about Yeah, he really just hates shitty programmers and blames OOP for it, then admits so and goes back to arguing about OOP. Classic SEN meme. LMAO[2017-5-15. : 12:01 am] LoveLess -- so sure, i am biased. As are you, uu, and everyone else for TS. We are all biased here. :derp:[2017-5-15. : 12:00 am] Broflamingo -- LoveLessLoveLess shouted: I have said it before and will say it again, you guys came to everyone else's channels not asking people to play, but pretty much calling them pussies if they did not play. Then if we moved elsewhere, you all followed. It was extremely annoying to deal with, but since all you guys cared about was getting a full game and stroke your e-peen, lol who cares right. 8 years ago, you called us cunts literally less than 2 weeks ago. Sorry man, it doesn't fly.[2017-5-14. : 11:59 pm] Lanthanide -- you can get Cecil really riled up by anything, and then it turns out he doesn't even know what he's talking about[2017-5-14. : 11:59 pm] LoveLess -- I have said it before and will say it again, you guys came to everyone else's channels not asking people to play, but pretty much calling them pussies if they did not play. Then if we moved elsewhere, you all followed. It was extremely annoying to deal with, but since all you guys cared about was getting a full game and stroke your e-peen, lol who cares right.[2017-5-14. : 11:59 pm] Broflamingo -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: Lanthanide I view that as a duty all members share. We should all of us want to protect this place. The fact that I carry a hammer has no bearing on me voicing that opinion and anyone who knows me knows that to be true. Broflamingo That's not the first time in the course of this you have implied I have ulterior motives. As per jjf: If you want to talk about whats between the lines you need to deal with the argument first. BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: LoveLess See loveless of course, I know your motives too. When we were in a TS game you labeled our channel "Temple Siege cunts" you are barely impartial yourself. Now Ex, when a guy is calling you "Temple Siege Cunts" right to your face on B.net then agrees with you. Understand the perception, and the irony here is TS community was supposed to be toxic.[2017-5-14. : 11:58 pm] Lanthanide -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: Lanthanide Of course, but I don't believe that that's the case. I believe I'm right in what I said and that I had a right to say it. then this is a learning opportunity for you, to realise that you need to take into account other people's perceptions of you when you speak on a subject like this where you have "history". You should have started your post by saying something like "I make the following post as a member of SEN, rather than as a moderator"[2017-5-14. : 11:58 pm] Moose -- CaptainWillCaptainWill shouted: Tabs vs spaces sounds like a coding debate... When Cecil is around, you can get him really riled up about OOP, too.[2017-5-14. : 11:57 pm] Broflamingo -- LoveLessLoveLess shouted: Then broflamingo came out paraphrasing ex's post into "I HATE TEMPLE SIEGE ." which is to me a display of what ex is scared of See loveless of course, I know your motives too. When we were in a TS game you labeled our channel "Temple Siege cunts" you are barely impartial yourself.[2017-5-14. : 11:56 pm] Moose -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Excalibur you might feel that it has no bearing on you voicing that opinion, but others don't perceive it that way, at all. UU's reply makes that abundantly obvious. you know it is ok to admit that you're wrong and you made a mistake, right? NO!!!!!!!!!! PEOPLE ON THE INTERNET WILL JUDGE ME FOR YEARS TO COME (because this is a thing that I do, too)!!!! Sorry if that went too far. LMAO[2017-5-14. : 11:56 pm] Excalibur -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Excalibur you might feel that it has no bearing on you voicing that opinion, but others don't perceive it that way, at all. UU's reply makes that abundantly obvious. you know it is ok to admit that you're wrong and you made a mistake, right? Of course, but I don't believe that that's the case. I believe I'm right in what I said and that I had a right to say it.[2017-5-14. : 11:56 pm] Lanthanide -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: LoveLess I object to the word scared but I am disappointed that no one wants to properly address what I'm saying, just why they think I'm saying it. I already did address what you're saying, so don't say "no one"[2017-5-14. : 11:55 pm] Excalibur -- LoveLessLoveLess shouted: Then broflamingo came out paraphrasing ex's post into "I HATE TEMPLE SIEGE ." which is to me a display of what ex is scared of I object to the word scared but I am disappointed that no one wants to properly address what I'm saying, just why they think I'm saying it.[2017-5-14. : 11:55 pm] Lanthanide -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: Lanthanide I view that as a duty all members share. We should all of us want to protect this place. The fact that I carry a hammer has no bearing on me voicing that opinion and anyone who knows me knows that to be true. Broflamingo That's not the first time in the course of this you have implied I have ulterior motives. As per jjf: If you want to talk about whats between the lines you need to deal with the argument first. you might feel that it has no bearing on you voicing that opinion, but others don't perceive it that way, at all. UU's reply makes that abundantly obvious. you know it is ok to admit that you're wrong and you made a mistake, right?[2017-5-14. : 11:54 pm] Broflamingo -- ExcaliburExcalibur shouted: Lanthanide I view that as a duty all members share. We should all of us want to protect this place. The fact that I carry a hammer has no bearing on me voicing that opinion and anyone who knows me knows that to be true. Broflamingo That's not the first time in the course of this you have implied I have ulterior motives. As per jjf: If you want to talk about whats between the lines you need to deal with the argument first. Ex, it means reading motives or the person. What i saw was rash post without thinking about the consequences and peoples feelings.[2017-5-14. : 11:54 pm] NudeRaider -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Lanthanide Is this a good time to suggest that a "mod hat" feature of some type that flags a post as being spoken by staff in an official capacity would be a neat feature? I would absolutely love that. I often would like to say things I can't/shouldn't. And sometimes I do it anyway. [2017-5-14. : 11:54 pm] Moose -- CaptainWillCaptainWill shouted: I've not seen this much drama on SEN since OSMap. Wait until we start up tabs vs spaces![2017-5-14. : 11:54 pm] LoveLess -- Then broflamingo came out paraphrasing ex's post into "I HATE TEMPLE SIEGE ." which is to me a display of what ex is scared of[2017-5-14. : 11:53 pm] Moose -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Mini Moose 2707 I think it's pointless. Even if they don't put a mod hat on, it still carries their weight. Like Trump's tweets Yeah, you right you right.[2017-5-14. : 11:53 pm] Broflamingo -- LoveLessLoveLess shouted: I am just kind of against people using SEN in the name of TS. "and by proxy SEN great again" "I want SEN's name on it to help the TS community but to also bring more talent, bodies, and interest into SEN itself" I do, i think it can be a win win. Especially since time can heal old wounds. TS is becoming popular again and I really want SEN to be the HUB of UMS. With Remaster we can position ourselves as THE place for mapmaking activity and UMS.[2017-5-14. : 11:53 pm] Lanthanide -- Mini Moose 2707Mini Moose 2707 shouted: Lanthanide Is this a good time to suggest that a "mod hat" feature of some type that flags a post as being spoken by staff in an official capacity would be a neat feature? I think it's pointless. Even if they don't put a mod hat on, it still carries their weight. Like Trump's tweets[2017-5-14. : 11:52 pm] Excalibur -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Excalibur you were acting in your capacity of a moderator, by saying "this map previously bought bad people to SEN that caused moderators like me a lot of trouble. i remember it, even if you don't, and I don't want those people back" I view that as a duty all members share. We should all of us want to protect this place. The fact that I carry a hammer has no bearing on me voicing that opinion and anyone who knows me knows that to be true. BroflamingoBroflamingo shouted: Excalibur Not implying that, I actually said you did this out of being emotionally rash. That's not the first time in the course of this you have implied I have ulterior motives. As per jjf: If you want to talk about whats between the lines you need to deal with the argument first.[2017-5-14. : 11:51 pm] LoveLess -- I am just kind of against people using SEN in the name of TS. "and by proxy SEN great again" "I want SEN's name on it to help the TS community but to also bring more talent, bodies, and interest into SEN itself"[2017-5-14. : 11:51 pm] Moose -- LanthanideLanthanide shouted: Excalibur you were acting in your capacity of a moderator, by saying "this map previously bought bad people to SEN that caused moderators like me a lot of trouble. i remember it, even if you don't, and I don't want those people back" Is this a good time to suggest that a "mod hat" feature of some type that flags a post as being spoken by staff in an official capacity would be a neat feature? |
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