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[2014-9-02. : 3:59 am] * O)FaRTy1billion[MM] mashes F5*[2014-9-02. : 3:21 am]  MasterJohnny -- hmm im not what i was looking at earlier...im too sick to be doing stuff...[2014-9-02. : 3:12 am]  DevliN -- MasterJohnnyMasterJohnny shouted: wow the needed features forum is locked... Forum or thread? If thread, we locked it because it was irrelevant and outdated. New feature requests for v6 can be made at http://www.staredit.net/topic/16526/[2014-9-02. : 2:58 am] Fire_Kame -- MasterJohnnyMasterJohnny shouted: wow the needed features forum is locked... we're being censored! TIME TO RIOT  [2014-9-02. : 2:21 am] MasterJohnny -- I request that the shoutbox have a double line spacing option so i can read better[2014-9-02. : 1:06 am]  payne -- Marx was definitely not an anarchist, though, hence why he believes in the over-throw with a Proletarian Government[2014-9-02. : 1:04 am] payne -- it is part of his beliefs, I guess, that capitalists are the people running the countries, and that they would not stand down from simple words, hence why he got into revolutionnary circles[2014-9-02. : 1:04 am] payne -- oh, I thought it was "Workers of the world, unite!", interesting to see myself corrected on that one[2014-9-02. : 12:47 am] Zoan -- Actually here: "The Communists disdain to conceal their views and aims. They openly declare that their ends can be attained only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions. Let the ruling classes tremble at a communist revolution. the proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. Proletarians of all countries, unite!"[2014-9-02. : 12:42 am] payne -- ZoanZoan shouted: Interesting. What did he say should be done about this? about what?[2014-9-02. : 12:42 am] Fire_Kame -- something something something evil capitalist pigs something something[2014-9-02. : 12:35 am] payne -- Not to mention that by managing the money going around in a business, the capitalist is actually doing work.[2014-9-02. : 12:34 am] payne -- but among the flaws of his reasoning, I believe, is that he pictures two classes which (I think) he says are mutually exclusive: workers, and capitalists. Yet, nowadays, you can very well be a worker AND own some means of productions (and thus be a capitalist at the same time).[2014-9-02. : 12:34 am] payne -- "The Capital" is a very intriguing work, I must say! I wish some more people would read it. I haven't understood all of it, and nowadays can barely remember his line of thought that brought him to the conclusion that any work done within a capitalist society is an exploited work from which a part of its value is extorted and given to an individual that hasn't worked in order to receive this value (the capitalist)[2014-9-02. : 12:32 am] payne -- By looking into the economics of capitalism, he thought he saw something inherent to the system: a permanent exploitation of the workers by the capitalists (capitalists here means the persons owning the means of production)[2014-9-02. : 12:31 am] payne -- Thus, in order to try to understand where the world was going, he started analyzing the mode of the production of the time, capitalism, or "private ownership of the means of production"[2014-9-02. : 12:31 am] payne -- Historical Materialism is the theory that considers that the history of human kind is entirely determined by its material conditions. He furthers the analysis into pinning down the "mode of productions" as being the center-piece of what those determining 'material conditions' are.[2014-9-02. : 12:29 am] payne -- but as I've said, I am "unsure", since it could be true (read as "may fit within his ideology")[2014-9-02. : 12:29 am] payne -- ZoanZoan shouted: Really? I haven't read everything Marx has ever said, but I cannot recall reading anything about him saying such a thing [2014-9-02. : 12:28 am] payne -- ZoanZoan shouted: Marx said that the people would always be oppressed by those in power and would eventually stage a revolution and themselves take power, and this process would continue and continue and their form of government become better and better, with better being a socialist based society I must admit I am unsure about this.[2014-9-02. : 12:27 am] payne -- His most famous work, "Das Kapital", is a dialectical analysis of the economics underlying the mode of production called capitalism[2014-9-02. : 12:26 am] Zoan -- Marx said that the people would always be oppressed by those in power and would eventually stage a revolution and themselves take power, and this process would continue and continue and their form of government become better and better, with better being a socialist based society[2014-9-02. : 12:26 am] payne -- Marx mostly stood -against capitalism-, more than -in favor of capitalism-, at least, litterature-wise.  [2014-9-02. : 12:25 am] payne -- Marx barely wrote -anything- about communism. The "Communist Manifesto" is possibly one of the only things he has written specifically about communism. His main goal was to present his theories on "Historical Materialism" and his analysis of Capitalism.[2014-9-02. : 12:24 am] Zoan -- Also, please realize that I'm using the word communism in the way you say is wrong here.[2014-9-02. : 12:24 am] payne -- ZoanZoan shouted: payneI'm not sure, but I thought they were communists, or were heavily influenced by Marx they were socialists, and were indeed definitely heavily influenced by Marx (and Lenin). Now, another thing you might want to look into is what Marx's theories actually were too  [2014-9-02. : 12:23 am] payne -- I know, I should've stopped a long time ago.. but I am waiting for my friends to finish a sc2 game, and meanwhile I have nothing to do  [2014-9-02. : 12:23 am] Zoan -- paynepayne shouted: Zoan are you saying they were falsely labelling themselves as Socialists while they were actually Communists? I'm not sure, but I thought they were communists, or were heavily influenced by Marx |
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