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[2014-9-02. : 12:10 am]  payne -- I feel like you talk a lot about things you haven,t reallt researched much about  [2014-9-02. : 12:10 am] payne -- ZoanZoan shouted: Also, if you still think communism is not the worst idea ever, look at history when this was tried on large scales and at the countless number of people who were killed. Zoan, you should look into anarcho-communist examples in history. Spain in the 20th century, or Ukrania[2014-9-02. : 12:04 am] Devourer -- i wish i had more time these days to fix sen. i hope you still enjoy your stay, though[2014-9-02. : 12:02 am]  Jack -- http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=What+is+the+meaning+of+life%2C+the+universe%2C+and+everything%3F[2014-9-02. : 12:01 am] Roy -- /a Actually, I reinstalled so I don't have anything set up, so I won't look into it for now. Also, I hope /a is implemented.[2014-9-01. : 11:59 pm] Sand Wraith -- http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Can+entropy+be+reversed%3F[2014-9-01. : 11:57 pm] Jack -- So according to wikipedia I tend to be minarchist libertarian, as opposed to anarchist libertarian[2014-9-01. : 11:54 pm] jjf28 -- RoyRoy shouted: Semantics, jjf: it is a system of governing. all I heard was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hou0lU8WMgo[2014-9-01. : 11:52 pm] Zoan -- It's not just a matter of it not being done correctly. Again, for it to be done correctly and to be good, people would have to be good, which they are not.[2014-9-01. : 11:51 pm] Roy -- We basically need to change our voting system, but the people who can do that are the same people that would lose all their power by doing that.[2014-9-01. : 11:51 pm] Jack -- I don't think we've ever had an entire country run on communistic principles correctly[2014-9-01. : 11:50 pm] rayNimagi -- Right now the two major US parties are stuck and unwilling to compromise with another, nothing can get done at the federal level[2014-9-01. : 11:50 pm] Roy -- ZoanZoan shouted: Also, if you still think communism is not the worst idea ever, look at history when this was tried on large scales and at the countless number of people who were killed. Replace "communism" with any other form of government. Hurray![2014-9-01. : 11:50 pm] Jack -- Zoan that's because the violent revolution part of communism never stopped in those instances[2014-9-01. : 11:50 pm] Jack -- If I understand correctly* lanthanide will probably come and tell me it's wrong[2014-9-01. : 11:50 pm] Zoan -- Also, if you still think communism is not the worst idea ever, look at history when this was tried on large scales and at the countless number of people who were killed.[2014-9-01. : 11:50 pm] Jack -- Over here you almost never get 50% of the vote, so you typically have to form an alliance government where you make deals with smaller parties until your combined percentage is big enough[2014-9-01. : 11:49 pm] Roy -- I don't know if NZ voting is different, but we have a take-all policy here, so getting a percentage of the votes doesn't buy you any congressional power unless you actually win the election.[2014-9-01. : 11:49 pm] rayNimagi -- rayNimagirayNimagi shouted: JackUnfortunately the electoral system is set up in a winner-take-all sort of thing So even if a party gets 49% of the vote, they don't get any seats[2014-9-01. : 11:49 pm] rayNimagi -- JackJack shouted: And if enough people voted for the smaller parties then you'd get a situation like in NZ, where you do have two dominant parties but the smaller parties still have a decent amount of power Unfortunately the electoral system is set up in a winner-take-all sort of thing[2014-9-01. : 11:48 pm] Jack -- And if enough people voted for the smaller parties then you'd get a situation like in NZ, where you do have two dominant parties but the smaller parties still have a decent amount of power[2014-9-01. : 11:48 pm] Roy -- Well, Jack, in our current system, it's either pick one or throw your vote away.[2014-9-01. : 11:48 pm] Zoan -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Zoan Again, the primary point to keep in mind is that if they abuse their power at any point, they will be brought down by the community. Whether or not they abuse their power is up to the communtiy to decide. People don't change their views of others that quickly. Also, this entire scenario is dumb. Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: Zoan No. By community leaders I mean people who have no exclusive authority but are recognized/respected and who wish to effect social change. There are much better ways to decide how to co-ordinate people on how to get things done.[2014-9-01. : 11:48 pm] Jack -- RoyRoy shouted: We have plenty of small parties for you to vote on. Green, Libertarian, Communist, Reform, Socialist, etc. You can vote for them if you want, but if you see a "lesser of two evils" between the main two parties, your vote is better used there. But they're both so evil, I don't think I could support either[2014-9-01. : 11:48 pm] jjf28 -- yea, but if it's spend a few hours helping check abuse or suffer a 1% loss in their resources[2014-9-01. : 11:47 pm] payne -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: payne people actually doing their civic duty, so ridiculously ideal did you misquote? I'm lost [2014-9-01. : 11:47 pm] Sand Wraith -- Sand WraithSand Wraith shouted: jjf28 Civic duty? I don't think that accurately reflects what would go on. It's more like if a bunch of students lived in the same apartment, if no one cleans up, they will collectively live in a shithole. They can then collectively decide to either clean it up or leave it as it is. And aboslutely, some people are flaky about this. I might attribute this to capitalism/liberalism/hedonism whereby work is something abstract that must be done and is a labour of pain rather than love or duty.[2014-9-01. : 11:47 pm] Roy -- We have plenty of small parties for you to vote on. Green, Libertarian, Communist, Reform, Socialist, etc. You can vote for them if you want, but if you see a "lesser of two evils" between the main two parties, your vote is better used there.[2014-9-01. : 11:47 pm] rayNimagi -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: I think the closest an independent party has ever come to winning was Ross Perot with like 20%. Or Abraham Lincoln, back in 1860[2014-9-01. : 11:46 pm] lil-Inferno -- I think the closest an independent party has ever come to winning was Ross Perot with like 20%.[2014-9-01. : 11:46 pm] Sand Wraith -- jjf28jjf28 shouted: woops, Sand Wraith Civic duty? I don't think that accurately reflects what would go on. It's more like if a bunch of students lived in the same apartment, if no one cleans up, they will collectively live in a shithole. They can then collectively decide to either clean it up or leave it as it is.[2014-9-01. : 11:46 pm] payne -- JackJack shouted: Well, that's the USA's libertarians, but the philosophical movement in general tends to be advocates of very small central governments. In the case of anarchist libertarians, there's no government at all. In the case of what wikipedia tells me is minarchism, you still have a government, just it's very small and exists only to enforce the law and possibly run an army if needed. capitalism => property => requirement of a police force to enforce the property laws. How can one be anarcho-capitalist? ("anarchist libertarian")[2014-9-01. : 11:46 pm] Fire_Kame -- lil-Infernolil-Inferno shouted: Yes, but they have no chance in hell of winning. Gary Johnson took 1%!![2014-9-01. : 11:46 pm] rayNimagi -- JackJack shouted: And do those parties ever get seats in parliament, or the equivalent you have there? There's like ~3 independents in Congress out of ~500[2014-9-01. : 11:45 pm] Jack -- And do those parties ever get seats in parliament, or the equivalent you have there?[2014-9-01. : 11:45 pm] Fire_Kame -- JackJack shouted: No Kame, that's the libertarians that you know. I don't actually know other libertarians, I stay away from them. They put me on mailing lists.[2014-9-01. : 11:45 pm] rayNimagi -- JackJack shouted: I don't think the GOP is libertarian at all, they're all about that big government from what I've seen. But the GOP is the conservative party (the Democrats are the liberals)[2014-9-01. : 11:45 pm] Jack -- If I were in the USA I doubt I'd vote for either of your big parties. Have you got any smaller parties?[2014-9-01. : 11:45 pm] Fire_Kame -- JackJack shouted: I don't think the GOP is libertarian at all, they're all about that big government from what I've seen. funny how that works.[2014-9-01. : 11:45 pm] Jack -- Roy, yes, but they still have laws to uphold. In some societies those laws might include anti-abortion laws, in others it might not.[2014-9-01. : 11:45 pm] Fire_Kame -- paynepayne shouted: Fire_Kame Kame, what is GOP? "Grand Old Party," or the republican party. It is hard to refer to them as republicans though, because the term varies country to country. At some point America flipped which one was conservative and which was liberal. [2014-9-01. : 11:44 pm] payne -- ZoanZoan shouted: Sand WraithRight! Those people are the people that communism assumes are good. quit... using... the... word... communism... like... that !!!!!![2014-9-01. : 11:44 pm] Sand Wraith -- ZoanZoan shouted: Sand WraithWhat if they just act like good people to gain people's approval? It just takes one liar to do so and gain power. Again, the primary point to keep in mind is that if they abuse their power at any point, they will be brought down by the community. Whether or not they abuse their power is up to the communtiy to decide.[2014-9-01. : 11:44 pm] Jack -- I don't think the GOP is libertarian at all, they're all about that big government from what I've seen. |
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