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What is your religion/belief?
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What is your main religion/belief?
What is your main religion/belief?
Answer Votes Percentage % Voters
Christianity 21
 
29%
None.
Judaism 1
 
2%
None.
Buddhism 1
 
2%
None.
Hinduism 0
 
0%
None.
Islam 1
 
2%
None.
Muslim 0
 
0%
None.
Chinese Traditional 1
 
2%
None.
Primal Indigenous 1
 
2%
None.
Atheism 23
 
31%
None.
Agnostic 16
 
22%
None.
Other 10
 
14%
None.
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Oct 2 2009, 3:50 am FatalException Post #161



Quote from CecilSunkure
The problem is in the first line. Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Why would God prevent evil from happening? If God prevented evil from happening, that would be a direct intervention with human free will. Now, the reason that God created humans was so that he could have beings to choose to obey him, choose. If humans are going to choose to obey God or not, then there is one crucial thing that needs to be: a choice.
Quote from FatalException
Are you serious? If you join an argument on Christianity, the Bible is THE ONLY PRIMARY SOURCE.
If you have only one source, then you can not prove or disprove anything in that source without using that source. Example: Your argument is invalid, and this is true because this sentence is true. Anyways, he was arguing about Epicurus.
How many times do I have to repaste that summary of Revelation before it is understood that the "Why would God prevent evil" argument is invalid? Again, the summary is that HE STOPS ALL EVIL IN THE END OF REVELATION AFTER THROWING THE FUCKING DEVIL INTO A POOL OF BOILING SULFUR. HE'S OK WITH GETTING RID OF EVIL.

Also, you realize that your comment about the one-source thing is true in the other direction as well, right? As in, if I don't have credibility in using the Bible in an argument, neither do you? So you pretty much said that the only proof that your God exists is invalid?



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Oct 2 2009, 5:40 am Vrael Post #162



Due to the efforts of the SWAT team, the giant rubber chicken was finnally brought down.

And now, to today's top story.

CHICAGO -- Militant Atheists attack Christian canning coalition with wooden spoons, AP sources reported.

Eyewitnesses described the attack as "ugly," "ferocious" and "extremely annoying." Sometime in the late hours of Saturday evening, seven wooden spoon wielding men reportedly ran up to the Christians, who had been canning on the corner of Oak and Elm for the upcoming "Give your money to God" event, and were smacked around viciously by the armed Aetheists. The assailants then fled the scene, reportedly screaming "Gee Gee noobs" and "Hugh Hefner is my true savior!"

Two of the Christians suffered large bruises to the forarms and cheek, and a third got a splinter from the incident.

"There were seven of them and one carried a sign that said 'Aetheists rule, Christians drool' " said Nancy Inyapancy, an insufferable old hag who witnessed the entirety of the crime from her front porch. "They tried defending themselves with bibles and long speeches about obscure moralities, but they were no match for the wooden spoons."

A second eyewitness, Jack Offigen, said "These hooligans have been terrorizing our neighborhood for years. First it was the public DOTA matches, then they'd eat up all the bandwidth in the area downloading porn, and you can always hear them running around complaining about their WoW characters, how so-and-so didn't cast something at the right time and what not. When they attacked, it was terrible. The canners thought they were done for and started yelling like little girls, things like 'why wont the power of christ compel them,' and 'please, have a free bible.' It was terrible, terrible. One fellow tripped and fell to the ground, and they got him hard. He's lucky to be alive."

That man remains in critical condition at his mother's house where she promptly kissed his bruise and told him Jesus will make it all go away. The man with the splinter was rushed to Saint Georges Medical Center, where three nuns gave him twelve smacks with a ruler for bad grammar. He also remains in critical condition, though sources in the AP reported the twelve smacks made him feel "more at home." The remaining canners are all in stable condition, and will be giving all their money to the church for the miracle of having survived the attack, after having been told by Father Pansy it was because God saved them.

Abel Toreport, one of the victimized Christians, was able to report his account of the scene to the AP.

"Well, we were standing there with our cans when all of a sudden these stupid little geeks ran up to us, and started yelling nonsense like 'My level 46 Warlock owns your God' and 'All Jesus' base are belong to me' and stuff like that. So you know, we were going to just ignore them, and Father Bubba started telling them how video games are actually part of the devil's plan, then all of a sudden they pulled out the spoons on us, we were so shocked we didn't know what to do. It was terrible, they started with Father Bubba and smacked him three or four times, then they came after me" The recounting of the terror became too much for Abel at this point in the tale.

In the official police report released Sunday, the police called for a 'reigning in' of these militant Aetheists. One officer commented "With their snide comments and unbending egotistic arrogance, these Aetheists have to be taken off the street, especially if they have access to wooden spoons. Just imagine what would have happened if they had had rolling pins or forks." Police Commissioner Bill Loney stated "We will be cracking down on anyone possessing wooden spoons illegally. It's an oversight which has gone on too long, that anyone can just get a wooden spoon. With their reputation for refusing to even consider another person's point of view, and the high availability of wooden spoons who knows what these Aetheists could do. Such a weapon in the hands of these people, could ruin many lives. We will do everything in our power to put a stop to this, including lighting the bat signal every night just in case."

These tragic events even gained recognition at the Congressional level, providing a spark to the ever present debate over wooden spoon laws.

"Higher wooden spoon regulation is clearly needed. Look what's happening on our streets!" Remarked respected congressman E. Ville (D- U.S. Moon Colony). The Republicans fired back, claiming that if the Christians had had easy legal access to wooden spoons, they could have prevented the attack themselves. "Having wooden spoons is not a privelege, it's a right." claimed Fanny O'Rear (R- Ontario) "how many italian chefs would be put out of business if they weren't allowed to serve their spaghetti with wooden spoons? How would the average housewife defend herself from burglars?"

According to late reports, the Aetheists may have left some clues behind as to their whereabouts in the form of a large weiner drawn on the face of a picture of Jesus left at the scene of the assault. Police are asking anyone with knowledge of someone who may have drawn a weiner on Jesus's face to come forward, in return for a 500 dollar reward.



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Oct 2 2009, 8:55 am BeDazed Post #163



YESSSS LETS HAVE A SPOON FIGHT



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Oct 2 2009, 4:21 pm Alzarath Post #164

Praetor

Khala > all

You lose.
Period -^



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Oct 2 2009, 5:07 pm CecilSunkure Post #165



Quote from FatalException
How many times do I have to repaste that summary of Revelation before it is understood that the "Why would God prevent evil" argument is invalid? Again, the summary is that HE STOPS ALL EVIL IN THE END OF REVELATION AFTER THROWING THE FUCKING DEVIL INTO A POOL OF BOILING SULFUR. HE'S OK WITH GETTING RID OF EVIL.

Also, you realize that your comment about the one-source thing is true in the other direction as well, right? As in, if I don't have credibility in using the Bible in an argument, neither do you? So you pretty much said that the only proof that your God exists is invalid?
I'm not saying the bible is the only primary source, so my argument won't apply to me. Also, just because you say the bible says, doesn't make whatever you posted truth or definitive evidence. Since you seem to have a logic filter between your eyes and brain, maybe this non-logic will get past.

Collapsable Box

You lose.



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Oct 2 2009, 5:20 pm BeDazed Post #166



Did you know that logic is relative? What may seem logical to one may seem stupid to another.



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Oct 3 2009, 4:41 pm poison_us Post #167

Back* from the grave

Quote from CecilSunkure
Quote from rayNimagi
The observations of humans are prone to errors.
Including that observation I presume?
Your presumption is as well.




Oct 4 2009, 12:02 am FatalException Post #168



Quote from CecilSunkure

NO U :P



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Oct 11 2009, 3:53 am ClansAreForGays Post #169



It's times like these that I am thankful we have a god topic in null.






Oct 11 2009, 9:13 am BeDazed Post #170



I have to admit, that was pretty funny.



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Oct 11 2009, 7:57 pm rayNimagi Post #171



Quote from CecilSunkure
Quote from rayNimagi
The observations of humans are prone to errors.
Including that observation I presume?

I am not a human.



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Oct 12 2009, 6:12 am Syphon Post #172



Quote from CecilSunkure
Quote from name:zany_001
Also, prove that souls don't exist.
Cells are the basic units of life.
All life is made of cells, and all cells come from pre-existing cells.
We are indeed alive.
Cells are irreducibly complex.
All cells are made of matter.
Matter does not act -it only reacts.
Hence, matter has no "soul" nor free will.
Cells have no "soul" nor free will.
We are made of cells; we have no "soul" nor free will.

If you can arbitrarily call a cell irreducibley complex, I can call a human that.



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Oct 12 2009, 6:19 am Greo Post #173



No point in trying to debate something like this. If I did, I'd probably be attacked with crazy circular logic, or get ignored by one of the two sides.



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Feb 16 2010, 1:06 pm Hercanic Post #174

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Does Null like necro's? Probably not, but let's push down all those locked topics and YouTube wonders. Lesser of two evils, right? If I'm in for a penny, I might as well be in for a pound, so I'm going to compound this by quoting from the third page, too. Ahaha!


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Quote from Syphon
Agnosticism is the unsureness of a God or gods. Atheism is not a religion or belief.
Atheism is very a belief.
No, atheism is the lack of belief in supernatural deities or gods. In other words, a person born free of religious influences and who has never given thought to the existence of gods is by definition an atheist.

It may not be readily apparent, but there is a difference between: "God does not exist" and "I am without belief in God." Both might be considered atheism, but one is a belief (in a broad sense) while the other is a lack of belief. The problem with throwing around a word like "belief" is it has multiple meanings, one being religious tenets or faith. This inevitably leads to someone proclaiming atheism to be a religion, which it very much is not.

As for agnosticism, it is slightly different from how Syphon framed it, though he said what people commonly think (which is where we get derogatory terms like fence-sitters). Agnosticism is the belief that it is not known -- or impossible for humans to know -- whether God or gods exist, or what the essential nature of everything is, due to the uncertainty of all claims to ultimate knowledge. So it's less about an individual being unsure who to pick and more about questioning the validity of all the claims made around the world. After all, if you have hundreds of equally unprovable and non-disprovable religions making contradictory claims, then who is really right? Without a way to cut through the chaff, all claims are therefore equally uncertain. Since human knowledge is limited to experience, it may never be knowable.




Feb 16 2010, 4:31 pm EzDay281 Post #175



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and more about questioning the validity of all the claims made around the world.
Individual uncertainty being an implied byproduct thereof, and the part relevant to the to the discussion.
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Atheism is very a belief.
No, ...
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Both [ideas] might be considered atheism ...
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one [of the mentioned ideas] is a belief
Erm... so far as I can tell, you're saying that either statements 2 or 3 must actually be false, else that Farty was specifically not referring to the both more popular and, in his sentence valid, definition of atheism.
Am I missing something?



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Feb 16 2010, 11:34 pm OlimarandLouie Post #176



I am a Mormon.

Shut up. :-_-:



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Feb 17 2010, 2:29 am Hercanic Post #177

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Quote from EzDay281
Individual uncertainty being an implied byproduct thereof, and the part relevant to the to the discussion.
If someone is unsure of which religion they should pick, they are not agnostic; they are undecided. An agnostic has concluded that there is no way to choose with certainty the "correct" religion, and so abstain from the decision altogether.


Quote from EzDay281
Erm... so far as I can tell, you're saying that either statements 2 or 3 must actually be false, else that Farty was specifically not referring to the both more popular and, in his sentence valid, definition of atheism. Am I missing something?
The prefix a- means without. Theism is the belief in supernatural deities or gods. Therefore, a-theism means without belief in supernatural deities or gods. That is the whole of atheism. Anything more is the province of the individual, be it science, humanism, naturalism, or "God does not exist". Statements like "God does not exist" imply a lack of belief, but go one step further by making an assertion about the universe.

An atheist can therefore believe God doesn't exist, or they may hold no such belief because it is unquantifiable. Either way, atheism is not a belief in and of itself.


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Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Feb 17 2010, 5:15 am by Hercanic.




Feb 17 2010, 5:18 am Falkoner Post #178



Man, Hercanic just beast necro'd this topic :P

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The prefix a- means without. Theism is the belief in supernatural deities or gods. Therefore, a-theism means without belief in supernatural deities or gods. That is the whole of atheism. Anything more is the province of the individual, be it science, humanism, naturalism, or "God does not exist". Statements like "God does not exist" imply a lack of belief, but go one step further by making an assertion about the universe.

That may be the original intention of the word, from its Latin roots, however, words change meanings all the time, and it certainly has become a religion, because without a belief in an all-powerful creator, other creation methods, which are as unproven as the existence of a God, are created in God's stead, and that is why I would consider Atheism a religion, they have faith in the idea that God does not exist.

Agnosticism wouldn't be considered a religion, because they don't have faith in any one thing, they are waiting for proof so that faith is no longer necessary.



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Feb 17 2010, 5:50 am EzDay281 Post #179



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If someone is unsure of which religion they should pick, they are not agnostic; they are undecided. An agnostic has concluded that there is no way to choose with certainty the "correct" religion, and so abstain from the decision altogether.
I was only saying that Syphon's statement was accurate, within functionality.
Being sure that one cannot be sure of God/s existence/non-existence requires that one not be sure as to their existence - i.e., unsureness.
@the second paragraph: Sorry, in my response I was confusing "both are subsets of atheism" with "both are meanings of atheism."
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Agnosticism wouldn't be considered a religion, because they don't have faith in any one thing, they are waiting for proof so that faith is no longer necessary.
As much as atheism is the belief that God/gods does/do not exist (or more than), agnosticism is the belief that it cannot be known.
It still involves a fundamental assumption.



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Feb 17 2010, 6:38 pm MasterJohnny Post #180



Quote from EzDay281
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Agnosticism wouldn't be considered a religion, because they don't have faith in any one thing, they are waiting for proof so that faith is no longer necessary.
As much as atheism is the belief that God/gods does/do not exist (or more than), agnosticism is the belief that it cannot be known.
It still involves a fundamental assumption.
Atheism is NOT A BELIEF. It is the lack of belief of god or gods.

Quote from Syphon
Quote from Falkoner
That may be the original intention of the word, from its Latin roots, however, words change meanings all the time, and it certainly has become a religion, because without a belief in an all-powerful creator, other creation methods, which are as unproven as the existence of a God, are created in God's stead, and that is why I would consider Atheism a religion, they have faith in the idea that God does not exist.

And as with hundreds of other things, you're wrong.
Syphon is correct. See dictionary for the meaning of Atheism. There is no faith involved.



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