You don't know where he referenced that quote from.

Regardless, those are both better options.

Why are you ruining my name? I would never say something like that. God does not exist! l)ark_ssj9kevin stated this quote Not I.

Also I wish some of you would stop using religious arguments. They do not useful because they are faith and not proof of anything.

We are proving what we have faith in. It's debatable whether it's actually a useful debate though.

And it's 'they ARE not useful', not 'they DO not useful.'

Less arguing. More voting.
An angry Moose is a vengeful Moose.

Oops, lemme fix. A thousand apologies kind sir ;o

You can't prove that souls exist. We can't prove that they don't exist either. You're asking for an impossible task.

I don't quite understand what you mean by the "WE ARE ON A ROCK, FLYING THROUGH SPACE!" statement..

(also, if I haven't mentioned it yet in this topic, I am an Atheist)

The soul thing? I realize that now, we were discussing it in the shoutbox.

And the rock through space thing is an inside joke, but basically it means, look at the bigger picture, is what we are discussing really that important?

I always thought that when people were saying that the rock flying through space was a reference to this comic


Which means you can make anything sound crazy

It also means you can make anything sound intelligent and convincing.
On a further note, you are not the latter.

Cells are the basic units of life.
All life is made of cells, and all cells come from pre-existing cells.
We are indeed alive.
Cells are irreducibly complex.
All cells are made of matter.
Matter does not act -it only reacts.
Hence, matter has no "soul" nor free will.
Cells have no "soul" nor free will.
We are made of cells; we have no "soul" nor free will.

Souls aren't composed of matter, and because of that, you can't measure them, and can't scientifically prove or disprove that souls exist or are linked to our body in any way. So your argument and proof doesn't help.

Also. Lift your hand up and wave it in the air please. Who made that hand lift up in the air? Did God grab your hand and lift it up? Did a strange and mysterious process involving all the cells in your body working together as a result of outside stimulation lift it up? Who made that hand lift up?

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It's a reference to this. I hadn't seen the comic until now.

You can't scientifically prove? But you just saying so proves a whole lot.. Doesn't it. How do you know souls aren't composed of matter. How do you know my body is composed of more than just matter. Do cells have free will or a soul? If not, then why would a collection of them have one?

Because God/providence/evolution/mahatma ghandi stuck it there.

And you know they aren't composed of matter because people have dissected bodies a lot but can't find the 'soul organ' anywhere.

Cecil isn't exactly a joker, no offense..

I thought it was a reference to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THooC676t2A

What I'm saying here is this:

The observations of humans are prone to errors.
The only way of knowing what the/a god defines as evil as if he/she specifically could tell a human what is "evil" and what is "good."

Therefore, if a god existed and told a human, the human's observation has the possibility of being incorrect. After all, any amount of logical reasoning could tell you over ~2000 years the "word of god" has changed enough so that "evil" has been relative to time and place (a.k.a the Christian Bible was written by men and modified both intentionally and unintentionally (via integration to indigenous beliefs, translation, etc.). For example, in pre-civil war American history, white Christians enslaved Africans and believed god had made them "inferior beings." If you, zany, had lived in that time, you would have probably believed that too. Does that make it right to hold slaves if the church declares it to be right?

Including that observation I presume?