"Immaturity, flaming, spamming, and personal bots are not allowed in this channel. You have been warned, don't whine when you get banned."

It is being posted here and broadcast as a greet message by Excaliban in op sen to give sufficent warning. All issues may be directed to Excalibur. I will not respond but will instead direct you to him.

To apply for your bot to be allowed in Op SEN, please go here.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 29 2009, 11:36 pm by Excalibur.

Moose 1 - 4Chan 0

This is a victory for 4Chan. They have pushed Moose to the limit and beyond, and he was force to bend to deal with them. ALAS.

I like how none of the bots even have custom commands, and yet they all get banned. My bot is muted, and before that, I only used it as a form of communication because I was too lazy to get on Starcraft. Yes, I had a lot of custom commands, but not anymore. Why the hell do bots have to be banned? The Starcraft users that op sen has attracted are a lot more immature than any of the bots we use. I don't see how "TS HOST GOGOGO!!" or "DAMN IT YOU SHOULD HAVE USED YOUR l1 TO COUNTER HIS l3 OMG MUTANT vs LM 1v3, 2v3, 10v25 GOGO!!" isn't counted as flaming, but having bots is. It's total bullshit, and the mods shouldn't get to ban all the bots just because they think they spam. I haven't spoken on my bot in over a week, yet it gets banned? Mods, why don't you try to spend some time in the channel that you run and see who actually flames, instead of just coming in and banning people? It would probably be more productive than just banning all the bots and making yourselves look like total assholes.

I'm not quite sure you know what flaming is. (This is flaming.)
I'm also not quite sure where you got the idea that bots are being banned specifically for flaming.

So, yes. I did stick up for you. I can only hope Excalibur will elaborate on his reasoning.

Decisions were made and it was determined that it would be better to appear as what you call "assholes" than to have a disappointment of a channel.

Meet

I oppose this motion, and advise you to remove my access to the banning powers.

I will wholeheartedly abuse any power given to me in that channel to the fullest extent possible.

I maintain that by acknowleding the need for order, you validate battle.net with a property that should never be ascribed to it; namely, that it is more than a game.

I have issues with this. Bad call, in my opinion.

In fact, I advise you to shitlist me from the channel. I won't actively endeavor to ruin it, but from time to time I may join people like Kaias or Lethal there, at which point I may be overcome by a need to spam, flame, and do other nasty things.

Spamming, flaming, whatever. And you opposed to this, yet it's still enforced? Don't you have more power than Ex...? Why does he get to do whatever he wants, even when Admins oppose to it? I don't understand this site...

I would like to sarcastically divulge to you that it would certainly be most disappointing if individuals were to discuss a map for the game StarCraft in a channel devoted to the same game. I question your mental development. If you would like a channel where you can engage prepubscent children in sexual discussion and roleplaying without interruption by people discussing the game in which they participate, I suggest that you take your presence elsewhere.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 29 2009, 9:25 pm by Mini Moose 2707. Reason: Flaming and swearing.

And that has what to do with my post...??

I quoted the wrong one. And it was more in response to the anti-TS sentiments being displayed by everyone; not really just you.

I would expect that even GM's have to elaborate on what goes on in their minds at some point. Especially if it seems so nonsensical. Like, if I got ops and decided that real players can't get on, only bots. People who leave the channel lower the people there, which is counterproductive, after all.

I ALWAS NU U WERE A HYPOCRIT!

For a channel that's sponsored by a MAP MAKING site, I hardly see how discussing strategies to one map in particular is okay, especially when it happens so frequently.

I think personal bots should be banned by default, but a member may go through an appeal or screening process to get their bot re-instated.

Some criteria questions would be:
- Does your bot have a greeting?
- Does your bot have public commands other than -pingme?
- Do you already currently have an allowed bot?
- Do others have any access to your bot?
- Do you issue commands to your bot via 'whisper', or 'send'?
- When a command is given to your bot, like -skiptrack, does your bot conform it's action? If yes, does it whisper conformation to you, or does it publicly announce it?(One I personally hate)
- Would you be willing to give some form of access over it to Excalibur?

If you pass this test, your bot is permitted.

Hmm, I like it. Oh, and guess what! It passed all the criteria! My bot's muted, so it can't respond to commands, and I gave many people (SEN, CAFG, Kaias) access to my bot so they could boot it if someone tried to abuse it.

why

My words are fragmented right now because I'm sort of busy, so try to puzzle any logic together:
- Warden kicks SC users, and not bots
- even though this is a SC channel it should not strictly enfore ONLY SC discussion, really now, we're human
- Temple Siege is not even worked on anymore, and if it is, the map itself is never discussed, only competitive blabber
- "ban all TS pubbies" is not valid
- map making is hardly discussed in op sen currently
- map making discussion is more private, lethal/morphling/kaias left to their own hideout and are more productive
- map making should be sparked to life somehow
- demon was over exaggerating, but still spoke truth. TS-talk is disruptive in the sense that they join in the channel while we're in the middle of a discussion

Woa, dictatorship has started over Op SEN
Anyways, I'm okay about banning abusive spammers/flamers, but can we at least discuss out-of-context subjects for a while? It looks like we will not even be allowed to discuss about our girlfriend things or such :S

I ask for lil-Inferno's bot to stay in the channel. the
command wasn't that much of a spam and it wasn't annoying at all, to me. It also was amusing. Moreover, it needed access.
Though "-quote" and such should be banned.
The command to send messages via the bot to a certain user (just like a mailbox) was useful and could be done via whisper. I ask for this to be allowed too.

Being a bot user myself, I have a personal bias toward not having a ban on bots. If you tell me to disable a command, I will. If you tell me to give yourself access (and you're of the authoritative status to do so), I will. If you tell me to exit the channel (from within the bot), I will. Anyway, I have a multitude of uses for my bot whether it be pinging (which is a public command), mailing people and having a personal inbox (which is also public but will be removed for a certain user if it is being abused), seeing chat history, talking to people while in games, randomizing teams for a game, holding a refuge channel when Op SEN is being spammed (which I've done, if I remember correctly, twice), etc. I do see how people constantly asking the 8 ball if someone is gay could be a nuisance (and I disabled that feature, by the way), but that doesn't mean bots should be banned. I agree that if the bot is overly-spammish then it, without a doubt, deserves a ban. I noticed that MiniMoose2707 thought it was annoying that saying -whoami and -seen [x] broadcasts a public message; both of those commands have been disabled for people without access.

lil-Inferno

I don't even know why access should be given. Ex can ban it anyway, amirite?