The bad advice that goes on in this thread reminds me of when people ask /b/ for relationship advice.

In that case, can you please explain what is wrong with what they said, and give better advice yourself? At least they tried to help.

Could you not take such a rude tone? Its not my fault they're bad.

3x +3 main attribute item of your hero. Next comes boots. Posthaste/Enhanced Marchers/Steamboots are preference based. Turn the 3x +3s into their respective upgrades (Bracer, Talisman, Ring), and go for your core items(varies from hero to hero, no universal build ect.).
Buy homecoming stones as needed. Always have 1 open inventory slot for said stones.

Sorry about that, I couldn't think of a better way to say it and still get my point across. I didn't intend to sound rude, just mildly rebuking.
Are homecoming stones a home tele?

Yes Homecoming stones are a structure-targeted teleport. They can take you to any allied building.

they should call them relocators.

Also, hack and slash isn't a good item. Hack is good on str, slash is good on agi, but it's a waste when you put both on.

What about magic wand? I think that's pretty viable in a double lane, and it's pretty useful throughout the game.

not if you're mb or any other chasing hero, -30 movement speed helps to chase down enemy heroes. it also gives slightly better stats than just slash or hack.

I usually get slash on most agi heroes 'cause of the MS boost (for chasing) and the decent damage and aspd it gives. If I have another spare 2200 I'll complete hack n slash but I usually don't farm for it unless I'm someone like madman who benefits nicely from it.

Did they add the upgraded shield? I liked that one 'cause you could get better block without having to waste 2k on the rest of vanguard.

Yes.

Generally +1 to all items ("gg" branch/minor totem) are better than multiple +3's, and you'll probably want to get some regeneration (runes of blight, healing potion, or ring of regeneration) unless you're laning with a healer or have a heal yourself. That way you don't have to hide and can do some solid harassment, but you can stay in your lane longer and not lose out on exp.

This is what I do for int heroes where I'm using their spells a lot early game, like Succubus or Glacius.

What Ex suggest sounds good in the long run. Still, I doubt my skill level is high enough to pull off a survival that lasts that long.

What is a gg branch?

gg branch is a minor totem, basically +1 to all stats. I think it gives you good value for your money, too bad you don't have an infinite amount of item slots to take advantage. I usually just get two sets of runes of blights, more useful than flasks in most cases. Hack and Slash is pretty situational, it does good in a little bit of every category, but not many people could really take advantage of it. I think the only two I would get it on is Nighthound and Spirit Breaker (who isn't in HoN right now)

Frostwolf skull (which is very close in price) is much better for chasing and survivability than hack and slash. However, a night hound likely will already have a slash already, so adding a hack is half as costly as a frostwolf skull. I feel the orb effect is inferior compared to frostwolf skull though, since it's only a chance to apply compared to a sure hit type deal the frost attacks grant..

Fair enough, but you fail to realize that Hack And Slash is much easier to farm because it comes in many pieces. It is also more useful because you'll have many pieces, you'll reap the small benefits of getting +6 str, or +6 agility. The nighthound also does not need intelligence, so really you're wasting 20 stats on intelligence which you'll never really need. The proc rate is high enough on the weapon that after a few blink strikes, you'll maim them which will basically cripple their attack and movement speed. Really, frostwolf skull is useful, but is a luxury item for most. By the time you've farmed it up, you've already decimated the other team or you're getting owned. Unless you rush it, which is still very hard because you need to get 2100+2100+1200+750.

I like hackandslash on scout gives you almost max speed. I tried a build with frostwolf skull on scout lol it was good but took a bit of time. I rather just get hackandslash because it attacks more attackspeed, movement speed, good agi/str.

Lookingg at ultimo's post 2100 2100 1200 750 that's the price equal to wingbow! maybe a few hundreds off but close enough

Frostwolf skull is a support item. Night Hound is a carry. You should not have it on him. Hack and Slash is meh, I get Slash a lot with agility carries, but I really don't like hack.

I'm loving the new patch, btw.

What Ex does is very situational: you can't pull that off as a melee hero, for example. Many agility heroes and some intelligence heroes get Bracers (+6 STR/3/3) as opposed to +6 primary because 6 damage is almost meaningless, whereas 120 HP helps a ton. It really depends on how the game is going; if you're having trouble staying alive you get bracers for HP, if not you can get the damage.

Actually nighthound isn't bad with frostskull done it before you get a lot of damage from backstab because most likely they'll be trying to run away. But with the slow they won't escape and you have blink too!

Yeah, and then a good team puts down dust or wards and you're useless because you spent 6000+ gold on an item that is only remotely useful in 1v1 and adds approximately zero survivability.

It's like Codex-Scout syndrome.

codex-scout isn't too bad, as long as the scout initiates with crossbow and then codexs, you could potentially own a support here in 5 seconds. But if you start ksing with that crap, then yes, it is annoying.

Epic game with IP and Lingie today too. Went 12-0-28 with Blacksmith, IP goes 24-4-17 with Arachna and Lingie was lagging. Looked pretty bad with a feeding pebbles but then we ganked the crap out of them. <3 4x multi-cast.

read the post more! The situation i gave was chasing a hero not jumping into a 1v5.

and that item gives you great survivability..

250+ hp and 20+ str you do the math on how much additional HP that items gives you.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 13 2009, 9:09 am by Thuy.