Shocko, just leave this debate. Please.

Indeed. But there are no good maps like that. No map is perfect, syrsly.

/agree.

There isn't. I also have no idea why some people think there is. They just would rather play the damn game [SC] instead of bitching about it on a website. I think they're the smart people, actually.

Well you're special then.


Hmm, lets think. Perhaps the creator put a good amount of time in the map? All of that hard work is wasted. People don't want fame, except for a few special people. Where the hell are you getting this?

Anyways, most maps played on b.net are strip maps, a few defenses, bounds (yay!), and a few others I'm too lazy to name. The rest are private games.

Note: What's wrong with quotes...

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on Sep 23 2007, 4:06 pm by Xx.Doom.xX.

Oh sorry, I forgot. It's actually an argument really.

Christ, can't you ever learn to not spam? I also think the points have been made, and it's up to the brass to decide for us.

Owns Falkoner's arguement. Letting just the "mappers" see it is kind of ridiculous. If we wanted to do that we could host an unprotected version on the site.


Score 1 for JaFF. I have about 1000 versions of Tarpit Defense and people STILL play it, even though it's so freaking ancient now, at that. That's just one example. This was one of the few points made by esponeo that I disagreed with.


Owned, again.


He is.


Yep, that's what I said, and it is the only way anyone can or should look at the situation. As much as it sucks if someone steals credit for your map, keep spreading your correct version and live with it.

As you can see, I have opinions on both sides of the matter, what it comes down to is this.... again... Not hosting OSMap on the site is essentially pointless, but if that decision is made it is fine. Otherwise, just keep everything on both sides of unprotection/protection equal. And ultimately, enforce that people stay true to the author's wishes.

I think the majority of my posts on this website have "not been spam" so if you'd kindly not judge me by one post, that'd be muchly appreciated.

Also, how many of the maps on Battle.net were rigged via OSMAP?
Stolen credit via OSMAP?
I think hardly any, so HA!

Shit homez, you aint got nault on osmap!

Not true. Though I can't prove what program was used, my very own Armored Core map was found with another's name on it. The argument isn't so much against OSMAP.exe as it is against all unprotection.

You used them wrong. Make sure you have a ["endquote"] at the end of your quotes, you're missing a few. The other problem is, make sure that [quote] and ["endquote"] are right next to the beginning and end of what you are quoting, not a line below with an enter between them, or with several spaces either (I think that might be a problem too). Basically, once you miss one part of the code, the code for the whole rest of the post is broken, which is what you did.

And Shocko, stop it please. You're making a mockery of yourself and this topic.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on Sep 23 2007, 6:22 pm by Dapperdan.

I understand that but still, OSMAP is probably the leading unprotector right now? so, I would have to say the general discussion though it should be unprotection as a whole, is primarily just OSMAP.

I found this fun "Überena" map, changed the health of one unit, and claimed the version to be by me. I also renamed it Merrellena and renamed all the units to Merrell. People will love this map.

Thank you Dapperdan.

I say we just ignore Shocko, because now it's just acting like a total idiot. Or just let Moose handle it. This isn't working.

I'm pretty sure Dapperdan didn't even understand my argument or the analogy. What the shit? Did anyone? You all agreed with it. You cannot possibly NOT agree with it, unless you hate the principles stated in the United States constitution and would love to live in a society where big brother controls your entire lives.


You do realize that by accepting this argument you accept that protection is the lesser of two evils? Right? I mean, it is right in there, plain and simple. And yet virtually all of you who accepted it are still arguing about how map cracking is the greatest thing ever or that it should at least be tolerated.

Actually, there is little way anyone can tell if you are saying that "the freedom not everyone is going to use correctly, but shouldn't be taken away" (paraphrased), is refering to choosing to mapcrack, choosing to use protection, or refering to the overall freedom of choice on everything. It stands as a good analogy for the latter in my opinion. The only reason you knew so clearly what it was saying was because you wrote it, as far as I can see.

Everything else I have to say has pretty much already been said. That is unless a better/new arguemenent suddenly comes up that I would have to rebuttle to or have it change my mind.

DAMNIT I said "everyone" here where I should have said map maker. It is still pretty clear that I am talking about people choosing whether or not to protect their own products. I'm assuming that you recognize that the choice to protect something does not include the choice to do the opposite. As if the choice to save a life also allows you the choice to murder someone...

What kind of world do you live in where the choice to do or not do one thing entitles you the choice to do or not do the polar opposite of that thing?

Believe it or not, some people don't feel that way, and you shouldn't make programs that force them to either change their opinions or go into a corner and cry. They're humans too.

Your analogy fails. The choice to do or not do one thing does entitile you the choice to do the polar opposite if both things aren't considered inherently immoral. Unprotection is certainly something people have the freedom to do just as much as protection. Whereas murder and saving a life is a completely different situation. Nice try though. I wish I could have put that more eloquently.


This is so far out of left field I don't know what to say to it.

there actually is one example where forced osmapping has caused ruin - hero wars. The original credit is stolen from 2.3 in 2.5, drasticly rigged, and even includes cheats.
if only that was true here. 90% of the community hosts and prefers the hijacked 2.5 thinking the bigger numbers = better version. This is, however, the only case where I've seen map stealing truly succesful.

despite all that, osmap has helped me enormously and I would be half the mapper without it.

10% seems like the correct amount of intelligent players around here and on battle.net.

lol hyprocrit, learn to put =shocko then you can scold him.

Quotes without the name aren't broken quotes with no endtag. He can scold him about that. He never said anything about putting a name in.

The strangely misinterpreted quote:

Okay, I am going about this the wrong way. You seem to have made the mistake that map cracking gives anyone a choice. Protection is a choice, and unprotection's only purpose is to cancel out that choice. If no one protects anything, unprotection has no purpose. It is entirely dependent on someone choosing to do a certain thing and then canceling out that decision. The very idea that allowing both is the same thing as allowing freedom for anyone at all is absurd.

If I was actually suggesting what you think I did, that would make me a total fucking moron.