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SEN Soap Opera - Tux Edition
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May 15 2008, 6:36 am
By: The Starport
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May 15 2008, 6:36 am The Starport Post #1




(not my image lol)


Disclaimer: Not the usual tl;dr bs. For the most part, at least.



Ok, I’ve had some time to think things through here, sort my emotions, review facts, etc. I’ve decided that, even though I, of all people, have more than enough reason to want to quit (‘retire’ lol) at this point (which seems to be the sudden trend lately?), I think that’s the wrong way to go about this. I've decided I'm not gonna let a few bad apples decide where I get to have my fun. But I feel I do need to speak my mind here; even if it may get ugly.


Now, a few things before I begin my rant. Firstly, I’m not here to instigate more drama, pick sides, or any other asinine mafia mind games like that. That’s never been my goal. I refuse to stoop to that idiotic level. I’m a creator. I create stuff. In fact, that’s the very reason for this thread: Reason itself. I want to try to solve problems, and I honestly think reasoning is the only way to do it.

Go fuck yourself if you disagree! :bleh:
(just kidding lol)



That said, let's get past the obvious: The community isn’t what it used to be. Even I can’t ignore that anymore. It's not because of the "Starcraft is dead" schlock that I've been hearing for the last 6 years now but still hasn't happened. I could blame specific things or specific people, but that’s useless too, and will only contribute to the problem. I think the real reason is simple: There’s a general lack of mutual respect between members nowadays. That’s all it boils down to, really.

Now, let me clarify what I mean by that. Mutual respect isn’t throwing arbitrary praise around or giving each other handjobs. Nor is it agreeing on every point or trying to be reasonable at all times. In fact, you don’t even have to like someone even in the slightest. Mutual respect is, as I define it, NOT being an asshole to others. Let's start by not feigning ignorance and pretending I need to explain this. If you know it doesn't apply to you, then don't worry.

I think we’re reaching a point, partly as a consequence of an aging community, where that mutual respect is breaking down. Leadership problems, members grating on one another, site turnovers (SEN to Maplantis and back to SEN again), disagreements and misunderstandings manifesting into bigger problems, etc. All of this is unavoidable and happens naturally over time. I generally like to file it under the "shit happens" category, and move on. But even on my end, I’ve lost my patience a few times, certainly. Whether it’s someone taking a steaming dump on something I spent 9 months working on, or losing patience trying to reason with people... ugh. I'll get to this crap shortly.



First, one of the other things I want to say with this thread is this: Though I don’t plan to quit map making or the community or anything dumb like that, I should mention that I do plan to scale back considerably. This has nothing to do with SEN drama. I'm just getting tired of the half-year-in-the-making style of map making, really. I want to try to have a bit of fun with maps now rather than try to pursue grandiose ideas. I have tons of maps I still want to try to do, but anything that’s gonna take me more than a month at most is gonna have to have a damn good reason for me to do it. That’s what I’ve decided. And I think you guys will come to like that decision, too, since it'll mean more maps from me for a change (rather than just a scattered few really big ones).



Now then. With that out of the way, let’s get down to business. I would honestly say I have fun making maps even still (I might try to participate in that Alcohol map contest later, too, by the way), so I can pass that decision off as a minor thing. But the mutual respect issue that I mentioned earlier is just something I can’t ignore. I’ve trusted staff and administration over the years to make the right choices with regards to the community, which I’m grateful for, because it allows me to focus on doing the thing I like most: Map making. But lately I'm finding some things are just getting out of hand.


Of course, I'm not perfect either. Personally, I have a nasty habit of addressing any problems I see pretty much right away when I see them; whether the timing or circumstances make doing so tactful or not. But I want to make it clear that I do this because I believe that ANY problem can and should be solved by reasoning. I don’t believe in playing silly mind games or hiding issues to make way for assholes who want things their own way. At least, I won't accept that anymore. If I’m wrong about something, then I would ask others to either be respectful and address why for a change, or stfu plz.

There. I said it.



With that too out of the way, I will say this, though: At this stage, I’m prepared to accept that reasoning is just not going to always be an option. And this is where my proposal comes in. Bear with me.

First, let's start with the old adage: ”If you can’t say something nice, don’t say anything at all.” No amount of reasoning will matter in the slightest if there isn’t a common denominator of mutual respect here to work with. I say that's fair to start with.

The other thing we should be doing from now on is not letting issues fester in the darkness until they explode out in the open. I trust I don't need to cite examples of this. :P Frankly, we should be handling these issues maturely and honestly as a community. Doing otherwise is a faithless, cowardly approach. We should have nothing to fear here. And I trust most of us by now aren't still immature pre-pubies, so we don't really have that much of an excuse, either. We're better than this. Grow up.

There. Said that too.



If that is too much to ask for, well, no hard feelings then. SEN 4chan has my blessings in advance. I’ll try to have the gay midget tentacle porn ready soon, too. ;)

Post has been edited 14 time(s), last time on May 15 2008, 2:07 pm by Tuxedo-Templar.



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May 15 2008, 7:54 am Doodan Post #2



BAN TUX LOL HE SPAMS!!!

Eh, it's been awhile since I've seen some SEN drama. Just as you said it's liberating to accept that people will always be stupid, allow me to add that it's also liberating to realize that there will be no end to the bullshit. Just do your best to keep yourself and those you care about out of it, and try to find some joy in the chaos.



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May 15 2008, 7:58 am The Starport Post #3



Oh I know. Lulz is loads of fun! That's one way I've adapted to that shit.

But I used to have more fun when we weren't reduced to that level, though. *sigh*

Post has been edited 2 time(s), last time on May 15 2008, 8:18 am by Tuxedo-Templar.



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May 15 2008, 8:12 am Rantent Post #4



The reason I think most people think that whatever we had going isn't going anymore, is because mapnight is not as prevalent in this current group of Senners.
I remember getting on Starcraft Friday night (midday for me because our stupid world is round) and seeing most of the cool people on sen playing maps with each other. It really brought everyone closer together, and made us have some epic stories and whatnot. But now it seems as if a vast number of people are simply in small groups that squabble amongst one another. We fail to have an event as unifying as mapnight.

Bring back my excuse to not see a movie Friday night! BRING BACK MAP NIGHT!



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May 15 2008, 8:17 am The Starport Post #5



Quote from Rantent
The reason I think most people think that whatever we had going isn't going anymore, is because mapnight is not as prevalent in this current group of Senners.
I remember getting on Starcraft Friday night (midday for me because our stupid world is round) and seeing most of the cool people on sen playing maps with each other. It really brought everyone closer together, and made us have some epic stories and whatnot. But now it seems as if a vast number of people are simply in small groups that squabble amongst one another. We fail to have an event as unifying as mapnight.

Bring back my excuse to not see a movie Friday night! BRING BACK MAP NIGHT!
It's always pissed me off to no end that I haven't been able to participate properly in map nights for various reasons. Another of the many reasons I should have quit long ago. :lol:

If I started making maps more frequently (even if they're not gargantuan abominations like Astrogears :P), would you guys start having more map nights again?



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May 15 2008, 10:04 am candle12345 Post #6



Hey, it's the rebirth of SEN, merging with ML, gaining new members, getting new updates!
All the awesome guys we love and who made this site what it is are leaving, why do you THINK the community isn't what it used to be!?



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May 15 2008, 10:23 am The Starport Post #7



Because we're letting the petty retarded stuff get to us, forgetting how to be respectful, and then choosing to solve problems in less than mature ways. Understandable, though. But we can do better than that, I think.

I don't think it's some stupid inevitability or anything. I think we just need to adapt a bit. SC2 is right around the corner. That's going to be something to look forward to. And people do, in fact, still play Starcraft, so it's not like the game is dead or dying either. There'll always be people to play the maps we make.


tl;dr: We just need to grow up a bit. :P Myself included, of course.



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May 15 2008, 11:14 am Paravin. Post #8



If mapnights would be at times more accesable, I would come. I can't just start playing SC at 2 am and expect not getting my ass kicked by dad!



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May 15 2008, 12:46 pm Clokr_ Post #9



Quote from Rantent
The reason I think most people think that whatever we had going isn't going anymore, is because mapnight is not as prevalent in this current group of Senners.
I remember getting on Starcraft Friday night (midday for me because our stupid world is round) and seeing most of the cool people on sen playing maps with each other. It really brought everyone closer together, and made us have some epic stories and whatnot. But now it seems as if a vast number of people are simply in small groups that squabble amongst one another. We fail to have an event as unifying as mapnight.

Bring back my excuse to not see a movie Friday night! BRING BACK MAP NIGHT!

I still come to map nights. But last night we were barely 5-6 people. Plus we need either new maps or to replay the very old ones, since all we play is Tron/Uberena/Phantom and that gets boring after a while...
Also I believe that one of the things that keep people so united in the past were the new discoveries. Everybody would start asking everyone how to get 40/1HP units or whatever and most people were able to make new discovereies since there was so much untested (that is when SF was released...).
Now everything might be too accessible for the people to care?

Quote from Paravin.
If mapnights would be at times more accesable, I would come. I can't just start playing SC at 2 am and expect not getting my ass kicked by dad!

I do play from 2 am to 6:30am :lol:



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May 15 2008, 1:27 pm Paravin. Post #10



But your dad isn't an asshat! :bleh:



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May 15 2008, 1:43 pm candle12345 Post #11



Quote from name:Tuxedo-Templar
Because we're letting the petty retarded stuff get to us, forgetting how to be respectful, and then choosing to solve problems in less than mature ways. Understandable, though. But we can do better than that, I think. I don't think it's some stupid inevitability or anything. I think we just need to adapt a bit. SC2 is right around the corner. That's going to be something to look forward to. And people do, in fact, still play Starcraft, so it's not like the game is dead or dying either. There'll always be people to play the maps we make. tl;dr: We just need to grow up a bit. :P Myself included, of course.

I NEVER WANNA GROW UP
TAKE ME TO NEVERLAND



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May 15 2008, 1:55 pm The Starport Post #12



No.

Post has been edited 1 time(s), last time on May 15 2008, 2:02 pm by Tuxedo-Templar.



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May 15 2008, 2:10 pm Clokr_ Post #13



Quote from Paravin.
But your dad isn't an asshat! :bleh:

I actually wouldn't care having two map nights, or just a very long one.Like from 9pm-2am for Europe and then until 6:30am for the rest.



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May 15 2008, 3:51 pm The Starport Post #14



Map day. :P



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May 15 2008, 6:14 pm FlyingHat Post #15



Quote from Tuxlar
Because we're letting the petty retarded stuff get to us, forgetting how to be respectful, and then choosing to solve problems in less than mature ways. Understandable, though. But we can do better than that, I think.
It's time we grab our balls and start acting less like kids. Me included. :shifty:

But really, I don't see too many problems with the community right now, I'm probably missing something.



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May 15 2008, 6:50 pm JaFF Post #16



Quote from FlyingHat
But really, I don't see too many problems with the community right now, I'm probably missing something.
You've missed something indeed.

Tux, I don't know about you, but I thought the Maplantis community was the best community I've ever been to in the internet. I think the most important thing was the attitude of the 'site' itself, the way it worked as a whole - assholes got banned quickly, there was no compromise in functionality and simplicity, the admin was more than serious and professional yet friendly. Those things created soil for respect to grow on, and it's quite logical that almost all the community members were nice to eachother.

In the current situation, the productivity of the mapping and modding communities depends on the enviroment created for them.



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May 15 2008, 6:56 pm Corbo Post #17

ALL PRAISE YOUR SUPREME LORD CORBO

Don't you think it's enough for us to be talking about the same crap already in about three topics that you had to create a new one that would, obviously, create the same effect and discussion?



fuck you all

May 15 2008, 11:10 pm candle12345 Post #18



*sigh*

This sucks. You're all being babies, if we just grow up and stop bitching about the community, they'll realise we aren't paying attention to their childish behaviour and they'll stop or leave.

Simple as that.



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May 15 2008, 11:40 pm Clokr_ Post #19



Nah, ignoring them won't work. We need warn levels back, so when someone acts wrong we warn him, then he gets pissed and flames the mods, he gets warned again, he spams and flames, he gets banned. Problem solved.
Locking their topics doesn't get them pissed off enough to flame and get banned :P



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May 15 2008, 11:44 pm Corbo Post #20

ALL PRAISE YOUR SUPREME LORD CORBO

I'd code a new warn system that included showing a HUGE RED MARQUEE EVERYWHERE IN THE FORUMS SAYING THAT THEY HAVE 1% WARN.

That would pretty much annoy people and make them be nice, gentle and obey the rules. Specially because it's a HUGE RED MARQUEE and it's only for 1% warn. Imagine 100% :P

Edit: I must make clear that it is a floating marquee, so it follows you and it never goes away. Kinda like the stupid floating firefox download logo but HUGE AND RED AND MARQUEE.



fuck you all

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